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ToiletDuck 01-02-2008 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by nicholasblonde (Post 291062)
Or are you guys talking about doing Qantas-branded/codeshare feeder service in the US, feeding off of Qantas long-haul routes/open skies and stuff?

As of right now I don't believe that's possible. Foreign airlines can't fly or operate airlines in the US. Virgin America had these issues as large % of shares were owned by foreign carriers I believe.

Superpilot92 01-02-2008 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 291249)
I JS on XJT all the time and the guys keep telling me how Delta wants more flying but the company won't give it to them. If that's true why would they want to go overseas? Be a fun rotation though.


Maybe for more money? Also right now we dont have extra planes to give to DAL unless we shut down the Charter stuff. Who knows with this industry.

dojetdriver 01-02-2008 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 291252)
As of right now I don't believe that's possible. Foreign airlines can't fly or operate airlines in the US. Virgin America had these issues as large % of shares were owned by foreign carriers I believe.

He didn't say ANYTHING about foreign ownership, just a code share type of arrangement. Have you ever heard of the Star Alliance? People buy a ticket on LH to get to the US, then transfer to a UAL plane to get to their final destination. (as an example).

WAVIT Inbound 01-02-2008 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 291249)
I JS on XJT all the time and the guys keep telling me how Delta wants more flying but the company won't give it to them. If that's true why would they want to go overseas? Be a fun rotation though.

This is opposite what my xjt friends and guys on our jumpseat says. They say that they think the flying for Delta was a lucky find at the time and they don't think it will be extended past the current agreement. I thought it was weird how short that agreement was to begin with. But hey what do I know, this is just what I hear.

nicholasblonde 01-02-2008 12:20 PM

i.e. if I'm an Aussie coming to study abroad in SFO, and I book my ticket Sydney->LAX->SFO, instead of doing the "conventional" thing and riding on a Qantas a/c from Sydney->LAX, then hopping on a US alliance partner to get from LAX to SFO (with a Qantas codeshare flight no.), the LAX->ORD portion would be an XJet branded route...same thing works outbound.

Qantas, or any other Euro airline, for example, could offer cheaper overall fares into secondary hubs by utilizing XJet codeshares instead of the typical alliance partner codeshare.

Then again, maybe you guys are ferrying ERJs all the way down there, getting work visas for all the involved pilots, and paying for relocation per us law...I really really doubt that is what's happening, but who knows...maybe I'm wrong and they somehow can make a profit and legally pull that off??? You understand that would be no different than bringing planes and pilots from China to fly US routes for cheaper than the existing carriers, right??? I can't see that happening in any country, unless they utilize local aussie pilots.

cbram 01-02-2008 01:23 PM

maybe its some code share with xjet branded and qantas/one world

supersix-4 01-02-2008 01:30 PM

Doesnt matter what airline it is or what continent it's flying over. If it has N # on the tail it will be flown by an FAA licenced pilot.

nicholasblonde 01-02-2008 08:28 PM

You're wrong--because you're ignoring labor laws that exist in every country, which override the need for an FAA licensed pilot to operate an N-registered aircraft.

By your logic, a Chinese company could just up and bring over some CRJs with Chinese registration, bring over Chinese pilots who would work for 10K USD per year, and start underbidding every US regional out of all US regional flying. That doesn't happen, because to be a comm operator in the US, you have to be a US company. And the second you're a US company, you have to get work permission for any employee of yours who isn't a US citizen by proving that you cannot find a qualified US citizen to fill each and every job you're bringing over foreigners for.

Example: A German businessman can bring his German reg G5 from Germany with his German flight crew who have German licenses, because it's private carriage...so as far as the US government is concerned, that German pilot doesn't need a work visa, because he's not working for a US business, he's working for a German business who happens to be flying a G5 around in US airspace.

But the second the German businessman tries to hold out that German-reg G5 to US customers for hire, he would have to prove US ownership, because a foreign company can't legally become a registered commercial operator. So he would have to find a US partner or holding co. and setup a US-based company to operate his plane for hire on US soil. And any US employer has to obtain work visas for their employees and also prove they couldn't fill those jobs with US pilots first.

Basically what I'm saying is--in order to operate commercial flights in OZ, you have to be majority owned by a OZ company. And for an OZ company to hire anyone, they would have to get work visas and prove they couldn't find qualified local Aussie nationals first.

Basically--you would have to have an Aussie national with FAA licenses to fly an N-reg plane commercially in Australia. Aussie nationals would get priority over you, as a US citizen, because of the local labor laws.

mccube5 01-02-2008 09:59 PM

they could just re register it and change the tail number to an aussie ship

blastoff 01-02-2008 10:33 PM


Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound (Post 291334)
This is opposite what my xjt friends and guys on our jumpseat says. They say that they think the flying for Delta was a lucky find at the time and they don't think it will be extended past the current agreement. I thought it was weird how short that agreement was to begin with. But hey what do I know, this is just what I hear.

Allegedly, Continental owns Delta's gate space in terminal 6. CAL wants to re-establish a hub at LAX with the 787. They will possibly take those gates away from Delta...coincidentally, 2 years is the time frame, hence (as the theory goes) no long-term agreement with Delta until they secure the gate space. Rumors abound that XJT could get CAL flying at LAX since they could lose Delta flying at the exactly same time CAL looks to establish regional feed in LAX. (crazy theory, but who knows in this industry)


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