Jet Jock,

I've quoted RJETs pass through costs, because, like I stated, I read it in their 10K, I haven't read all the 10Ks for all the regionals. And yes I know that most regionals pass the fuel cost on to the major partner, but I can't say for sure if 100% of all their flying is under such arrangement. If you read my first post you will see I referenced the 10K from RJET, a publication they make because they are public and the SEC requires them to do so. Hence, I was making my point that XJT was going to go through some hard times, because all their fuel costs ARE NOT pass through. Specifically on the 59 jets (I mistakenly quoted 64 jets before, but 10 of the DAL Connx jets have pass through costs, as read in the XJT 10K) that don't have pass through fuel costs.

Totally different. We cost more than ASA. We were awarded that flying because ASA screwed it up, no offense to the pilots at ASA, I think it was mostly managing issues that caused that.

Never said they didn't like it. They could at least admit why the flying was awarded to RAH instead of XJT. At least saying they are sorry for their management undercutting a higher paid pilot group. I would apologize to any major for taking their flying.

you seem to have to do that plenty on the regional forum.

I hope every thing works out for express jet, i have several friends there and one of them don't have a degree to fall back on...

Similar ?.....are you high.......Now if XJT had started a company and underbid and awarded the flying to the other company that would be GOJETish.....

Another company bidding for and getting awarded flying is not like GO Jet at all.... Hulas started a company to fly aircraft his TSA pilots wouldnt fly...... these situations are not even similar.

I quoted this one, because the one I was going to magically disappeared. (hello mod??)
Anyway, I'm curious how long you've been in the 121 world...
Secondly I was at TSA when GoJets went down, and what RAH did to XJet isn't similar at all. By comparing them, you eliminate any credibility you have when talking about something else.
GoJets is what is called an Alter Ego, they were created for the expressed purpose of undermining an already existing union contract. RAH, I can assure, existed long before their first airplane was painted in CAL paint.
The reason RAH got CAL flying may be they are cheaper than XJet, but the MAIN reason it didn't stay at XJet is because they want to diversify their routes among many carriers. FYI, they'll probably want to add another one if they get the chance for the same reason.
United, Delta, UsAir, and NW are all doing the same thing.

Why should any RAH pilot reprimand Herc for you calling us scabs? I don't know about you but awarded flying and route structure is above my pay grade, which by the way you uncouthly point out, isn't that much... Look at what you are saying? Who peed in your cheerios? You have great pride in your company and you defend them rightfully so, however, you take great offense to RAH pilots when not one of them wished ill-will onto XJET. Please get over yourself. This thread was meant to be informative, not a forum for finger pointing.

MESA gives people a job.

The pilot group that negotiated the contract under which you have a "job" did pretty good for you. Especially when you consider the climate it was done under, the fact that your biggest source of revenue was a CH. 11 legacy, it was a vast improvement compared to what they had prior, etc.

I hope for your sake and everybody else at shuttletaquapublic , the guys fighting for the new contract don't have the mentality that RAH gives you a "job", and nothing more.

And it's continuing. It's getting to the point where we may have to close the thread. Debating all sides of an issue is encouraged, but don't make it personal. No name-calling/no insults/no inappropriate language = no infractions. Let's get this thread back on track and keep it professional.