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JetJock16 03-09-2008 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by full reverse (Post 336943)
Never said it was RAH RAHs CEO, it wasn't, I have not bashed any group by name, in fact I have propped up RJET by quoting the fact that their pass through costs will leave them sitting pretty with high fuel prices, while such fuel prices will greatly affect the bottom line at XJT.

You do realize that almost every regional passes fuel cost through to mainline........right? :confused:

freezingflyboy 03-09-2008 01:02 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 337109)
I love how, at the regional level, we all know that we live and die by our contracts but yet we act like little girls when someone else comes along and underbid us. It's not our flying. Whine all you want but it's called business.

I laugh because so many of us also think pilot pay has everything to do with it when it actually plays such a small part! LOL!

Hows the view from that ivory tower?:rolleyes:

JetJock16 03-09-2008 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 337119)
Hows the view from that ivory tower?:rolleyes:

I don't know, I not on an ivory tower! SKW doesn't have the lowest cost in the industry.

freezingflyboy 03-09-2008 01:22 PM

JJ, it wasn't a retaliatory personal attack. And you can say whatever you want about XJT. Doesn't bother me any. It was more of an observation about the tone and nature of your posts. I read a lot of the threads on here though I may not post and seems like I always see your name popping up as a sage of knowledge about every aspect of the goings on at many of the carriers out there, especially XJT. So take it more as a gentle jab than a kick to the balls. Thats how it was intended.

JetJock16 03-09-2008 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 337133)
JJ, it wasn't a retaliatory personal attack. And you can say whatever you want about XJT. Doesn't bother me any. It was more of an observation about the tone and nature of your posts. I read a lot of the threads on here though I may not post and seems like I always see your name popping up as a sage of knowledge about every aspect of the goings on at many of the carriers out there, especially XJT. So take it more as a gentle jab than a kick to the balls. Thats how it was intended.

You know some learn from what they read and pass on whatever knowledge they have, that's a forum. Never have I ever stated that I know about the personal workings of another airline. I have made comments from what I've heard & learned but they are always followed by a question of is this right or not. You can go back and read my posting as you wish. As for business, that’s a different story. I can talk all day long about strategies.

tpersuit 03-09-2008 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 337128)
...When it comes to one being awarded flying over another then that’s what they call business and business is not personal.

WOW!!!

You do realize that basically XJT is shrinking and RAH is growing.

A top tier regional is having its employee ranks transfered over to a lower tier
than XJT. What makes you think this won't happen to RAH.

How is this really different than GoJets? CAL went with the cheaper pilot group to circumvent us at XJT. This is terrible.

JetJock16 03-09-2008 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 337141)
WOW!!!

You do realize that basically XJT is shrinking and RAH is growing.

A top tier regional is having its employee ranks transfered over to a lower tier
than XJT. What makes you think this won't happen to RAH.

How is this really different than GoJets? CAL went with the cheaper pilot group to circumvent us at XJT. This is terrible.

And one day it will happen to RAH just like it will happen to us here at SKW, that's life at the regional level. RAH's lower cost isn't entirely due to their pilot groups blended BS FO rates. I do not agree with it as you do not but I have yet to meet an RAH pilot who likes their FO rates. They want to change them and they are in negotiations to do so.

As for one being a top tier and the other not, I think that’s the pot calling to kettle black. What do you think XJT did to ASA in LAX?

Slaphappy 03-09-2008 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by tpersuit (Post 337033)
Didn't answer my question. Why aren't people freaking out over Mesaba doing this?

Because mesaba has about 30 airplanes on the way and is making money.
XJT on the other hand is losing flying left and right as well as money from a branded operation with load factors of 50-60%.

Both are different situations

de727ups 03-09-2008 01:47 PM

Many infractions and warnings so far in this thread. Think before you post. If you have a personal problem with a user, use PM's and keep it off the fourms. If you think a post violates TOS, report it, and let them mods sort it out.

Thanks

freezingflyboy 03-09-2008 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 337146)
And one day it will happen to RAH just like it will happen to us here at SKW. RAH's lower cost isn't entirely due to their pilot groups blended BS FO rates. I do not agree with it as you do not but I have yet to meet an RAH pilot who likes their FO rates. They want to change them and they are in negotiations to do so.

As for one being a top tier and the other not, I think that’s the pot calling to kettle black. What do you think XJT did to ASA in LAX?

Whoa...XJT didn't underbid or out maneuver anybody to get that LAX flying. ASA was given a shot and their performance did not meet Delta's standard. You can blame whoever you want for that. SkyWest, due to their contract with UAL was not able to provide the feed that Delta wanted at LAX. Delta throws up in their collective mouths a little bit whenever they hear the word "Mesa". Comair...well who knows what Delta's plan with Comair is. RAH has made it well known that they are not interested in the 50 seat market any longer and XJT was probably the only carrier out there willing to give the shared-risk approach a shot. It had nothing to do with dirty tactics or underbidding. And to the best of my knowledge, ASA did not "lose" any work from the deal, just shifted it back to ATL. So really an apples to bowling balls comparison.


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