Moonwolf

Probably, because USairways is swaping slots with Delta at LGA for some at DCA. So pretty much nil Usairways express flying at LGA next summer...

Fly782

AA? Maybe...

FDX8891

It's all lies. Our company is going bankrupt, all CA's are being downgraded to FO's, and all FO's are being downgraded to FA's come April. This is straight from the top. We're also trading in our 145's for 737's and all pilots get a 65% pay cut. New flying? Forget about it. It's all going to GoJets and Great Lakes, who have just announced a merger with Southwest and FedEx.

PruneJuice

Xjt growing, Asa shrinking. If I were an xjt pilot I would be in no hurry to get this merger done. While ASA did buy xjt it's becoming more clear who is bringing more to the table in regards to growth, route structure and pay/contract.

aussieflyboy

Fellow Aussie? Pleased to meet you, my newly adopted brother.

Can't speak for all XJTers but here are my thoughts, as someone who's probably going to hold captain in the next few months thanks to our recent rapid growth.

It would hardly be fair for me to leapfrog a legacy ASA guy who ought to have been senior to me at the time of the snapshot.

I know the exact method for determining the IMSL hasn't been agreed upon yet, but I for one will have no problem downgrading if it's decided that I upgraded out of turn when our lists are combined.

Hopefully it won't come to that and growth/attrition will mean that nobody will have to downgrade.

xjtguy

True, the 145 is bad enough, the 135 worse with marginally less fuel burn.

However, if they are kept to certain markets where the airline ACTUALLY charges a price that's more in line with what should be charged, it's not a big deal. Markets that aren't served by many, if any other carriers, such as some of the Colorado stuff, etc.

You're putting a VERY big cart in front of the horse. Personally, I don't know anybody that was pushing DOH on the XJT side. Although there are plenty of ASA guys at the top that would scream for it since ASA is more "top heavy" in that regard.

But since you're asking, and if I were king, it would be closely modeled after how DAL and NWA ran their SLI. With mostly relative seniority being protected. As well as when the MOAB (mother of all bids) comes out, you bid what you want and get whatever you can hold based on the new seniority list. And just like in the DAL/NWA, if a pilot was displaced off their equipment to a lower paying seat, there was pay protection for a substantial period of time without incurring any seat lock/fence etc. And if a guy is displaced from his seat, he should get first right of refusal on a futre CA vacancy, etc.

AGAIN, that's if it were up to me, it's not. But you were asking.

FSUpilot

man no matter how many times its said people just dont get it.. ASA didnt buy anyone. They got bought by SKYW and so did XJT. ASA and XJT are just being merged together... or are well on their way.

Just a pet peeve. Its really not a huge deal.

TheBills

Amen. Its not like the pilots made the purchase either. Luck and timing is what this job is all about.

flyingkangaroo

I said all that I spoke with.... Then you backed up the point that I was speaking to with a relative sen integration. Please don't try to make things more then they are..... Anyways,

I dont think anybody will be downgraded. It's foolish and costs lots of money. I'm sure there will be fences. It is probable, In my opinion, that some FO's will have a higher seniority number then some Xjt captains. It is my preference to have a mutual industry leading contract. However, many ASA pilots will not accept an SLI that is baltently unfair. I am worried about a situation like usair has now. Do most upgrading XJT pilots expect to have a lower relative number after the integration?

On a different note, I don't think DAL/NWA is the same. They had an agreement in place for seniority before they ever decided to merge.

IrishNJ

Speaking as a recent upgrade at XJT, I fully expect the upgrades junior to me to stop in their tracks when we merge so that the ASA FOs that are senior to me (when the snapshot was taken last year) upgrade.

Why would I be annoyed at this? If the roles were reversed I would expect the same.

Though I wonder how many Atl based CRJ pilots will want to upgrade into the erj. Anyway, if we're upgrading at the rate of 32 to 64 a month, how long do you think it'll take for things to equalize on the two sides? ASA isn't that big is it? XJT has 2800 pilots on the seniority list, how many does ASA have?

All the same, let me say that I didn't think DOH based seniority was ever even to be considered. With all that said, I wouldn't expect any merger to be completed until 2013 unless pay rates go up significantly.