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catIIIc 04-18-2014 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo (Post 1625341)
All 135s at the end of August 2014 and 22 145s by the end of 2014.

Hopefully those 22 145's will be the ER's.

flynd94 04-18-2014 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 1625156)
Capt. Tony, here is the rest of the story. Former XJT MEC Chair CG worked very closely with the CAL MEC during their seniority list integration. In fact CG was present during the arbitration award. LXJT is going to employ the same tactics that CAL employed by trying to delay SLI by delaying contract negotiations. Their hope is that the LASA side will retire lots of 50 seaters by the time this wraps up and they will get a snap shot at DOS instead of Date of acquisition and this will help them with an arbitrated award.

Only problem is that the company is willing to give us money right now and take advantage of some opportunities right now. LXJT pilots need to ask their reps why Chris is still involved and still stalling things.

What's the rush? We are still conducting polling of the pilot group. Just got a new MEC Chairmen, replaced 2 members if our JNC and we are in the process of recalling both of the MCI/CLE Reps.

I seem to remember a certain person holding up neogtiations for the better part of a year over the "line in the sand" memo.

Rushing only benefits the company. Also when we started this process the company stated that the check book was open. I am happy that we are taking it slow/deliberate pace. All you are doing by making these posts is driving a wedge between the two pilot groups. Are you a mgmt schill? Or a lifer afraid for your job?

Captain Tony 04-18-2014 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1625244)
The ASA mec voted unanimously in favor of the last TA and the company was spewing garbage about 3 yrs until another TA would be presented... both are running short on credibility. The local XJT mec is the only one that had any no votes or voices of reason last time around. If the company didn't want a delay than they should have been more realistic the first time around. The pilots are gaining leverage by the day and the Skywest board of directors are not happy with amateur hour in Atlanta. I hope both MECs can be on the same page going forward but the company needs to make amends for the used car salesman tactics and lies. Great that they want to be serious ... after 4 yrs. Don't let management scrambling to soften their woopsie tear apart the two MEcs.

The ASA MEC voted unanimously to let the pilot group have a say. They voted to put it out for a vote, not a vote of approval. If you're going to be a critic, then at least get your facts straight.

And you're right, the BOD is losing patience. Every day we actually lose leverage because our competitors get closer to getting their act together or we're one day closer to missing the deadline to bid, which puts us right back on the shrink to death in 5 years plan. I don't know why you guys think we will have increasing leverage.

Nevets 04-18-2014 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1625524)
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Originally Posted by newarkblows


The ASA mec voted unanimously in favor of the last TA and the company was spewing garbage about 3 yrs until another TA would be presented... both are running short on credibility. The local XJT mec is the only one that had any no votes or voices of reason last time around. If the company didn't want a delay than they should have been more realistic the first time around. The pilots are gaining leverage by the day and the Skywest board of directors are not happy with amateur hour in Atlanta. I hope both MECs can be on the same page going forward but the company needs to make amends for the used car salesman tactics and lies. Great that they want to be serious ... after 4 yrs. Don't let management scrambling to soften their woopsie tear apart the two MEcs.




The ASA MEC voted unanimously to let the pilot group have a say. They voted to put it out for a vote, not a vote of approval. If you're going to be a critic, then at least get your facts straight.

And you're right, the BOD is losing patience. Every day we actually lose leverage because our competitors get closer to getting their act together or we're one day closer to missing the deadline to bid, which puts us right back on the shrink to death in 5 years plan. I don't know why you guys think we will have increasing leverage.

We have polling taking place and our NC co-Chairman vice-chairman have negotiating training to do first. Calm down.

IrishNJ 04-18-2014 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1625524)
Every day we actually lose leverage because our competitors get closer to getting their act together or we're one day closer to missing the deadline to bid, which puts us right back on the shrink to death in 5 years plan. I don't know why you guys think we will have increasing leverage.

Sounds like the same arguments that were used to vote "yes" on the TA. The company had their chance to give us their "best offer" then, I was getting a 7 cent pay raise and a 5% loss of my retirement contrib (LXJT DC plan) along with all the other concessions. What a huge Fukcing insult.

If the company is now offering dramatic improvements in ALL areas of our contract then great but even one concession in any area (e.g. LXJT DC plan or LTD or PBS etc.) requires the polling analysis and our new NC time to get up to speed, otherwise another NO vote.

Captain Tony 04-18-2014 10:28 AM

What of you are compensated for the loss of your LTD and DC plan? Would it still be a concession? Everything has changed. Nobody is selling concessions here. You guys need to start thinking positive.

IrishNJ 04-18-2014 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1625595)
What of you are compensated for the loss of your LTD and DC plan? Would it still be a concession? Everything has changed. Nobody is selling concessions here. You guys need to start thinking positive.

If they're not selling concessions then wouldn't it be easier just to give everyone (ASA + XJT) the DC plan?
... maybe you should be the one to start thinking positive. The difference is more than the pay difference between 50 seat and 70 seat pay offered in the TA.

If you mean compensate me by hiking my pay by 5% plus taxes (that I'd now have to pay) so a 7% pay rate adjustment just to compensate the loss of DC plan then maybe ... though it might not be acceptable to some people, hence the polling.

At your seniority you would be getting another 5.5 or 6% pay straight into your 401K

Nevets 04-18-2014 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by IrishNJ (Post 1625634)
Quote:





Originally Posted by Captain Tony


What of you are compensated for the loss of your LTD and DC plan? Would it still be a concession? Everything has changed. Nobody is selling concessions here. You guys need to start thinking positive.




If they're not selling concessions then wouldn't it be easier just to give everyone (ASA + XJT) the DC plan?
... maybe you should be the one to start thinking positive.

If you mean compensate me by hiking my pay by 5% plus taxes that I'd now have to pay so a 7% pay rate adjustment just to compensate the loss of DC plan then maybe ... though it might not be acceptable to some people, hence the polling.

At your seniority you would be getting another 5.5 or 6% pay straight into your 401K

Not to mention the higher cost of insurance premiums due to higher caps and the total gutting of the LTD, just to name two.

AtlCSIP 04-18-2014 01:42 PM

Looks like 6 net CRJ upgrades from the most recent position notice award.

FSUpilot 04-18-2014 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bartender (Post 1625156)
Capt. Tony, here is the rest of the story. Former XJT MEC Chair CG worked very closely with the CAL MEC during their seniority list integration. In fact CG was present during the arbitration award. LXJT is going to employ the same tactics that CAL employed by trying to delay SLI by delaying contract negotiations. Their hope is that the LASA side will retire lots of 50 seaters by the time this wraps up and they will get a snap shot at DOS instead of Date of acquisition and this will help them with an arbitrated award.

Only problem is that the company is willing to give us money right now and take advantage of some opportunities right now. LXJT pilots need to ask their reps why Chris is still involved and still stalling things.

Where exactly have you heard that the company is ready to throw money at us? Didnt they say that they gave us "their best offer we will see"? :). I have heard nothing official.. just what rumors a certain few decide to spout on here or the pipe.


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