Expressjet 2013/2014 Contract
 

We have a TA.

Does someone have details on ANYTHING?

If not, when can we expect details?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Republic, Pinnacle, PSA, ......ExpressJet???? could it be next on the list?

I have heard one rumor from one person kinda in the know that we will have frozen wages for 2 years and then a wage reduction after that to match Compass, GoJet, etc...

I have heard if the TA is not passed, then management will get rid of all 50 seat flying.

But I'm probably dead wrong...

The only thing for certain is that there will be fear grenades. Many of them.

I would be pleasantly surprised if the pilot group doesn't fall for them, however. Pilots are a jumpy and frightful bunch.

Exhibit A: PSA.

No my friend,

Exhibit A was Pinnacle who drove a huge dagger into the heart of our industry.
Exhibit B is PSA who just followed suit and pushed it in deeper.

Now that they've set the precedence regional pilots everywhere are under attack to join in on what Pinnacle and PSA started. Because of them the best we can now hope for is status quo……..

Correct me if I am wrong I thought Comair took pay cuts trying to save their airline.

I'm not defending pinnacle but they voted for concessions under the cloud of bankruptcy. Psa scum sold out for the potential of some shiny new jets to a very profitable company. Huge dif in my book. Both bad but psa is the real sleaze here.

While I don't like what Pinnacle did, they were under bankruptcy and in a far worse position than PSA.

PSA had no reason to vote on anything, let alone a huge concessionary contract. There is no excuse for what PSA did and it will ultimately hurt the entire industry...not just them.

Case and point: Now Xjet/ASA is being dragged down. As always I hope they make a stand the way Eagle did. I'm not holding out hope. Like I mentioned before, pilots are easily scared.

I'll agree the Pinnacle contract is a raw deal. I work under it. Those were a different set of circumstances then PSA and now yourself. I'm pretty sure you are not in bankruptcy with certain liquidation looming. As a matter of fact, I believe your company is still making money, just not enough for your managers. Your hate is misdirected, but never-the-less warranted. You now have a chance at removing the "dagger that we Pinnacle and PSA pilots put through your career." Will you?

On a side note, there was zero support for Pinnacle pilots during our process. Not one group of other pilots were willing to help us out. All you did was threaten and accuse. I guarantee you all of us would have voted that down had we been accepted to your airline with longevity as far as bidding power goes, but alas, we were expected to fall on our swords so you could make a few extra bucks an hour. Reminds me of the guy who drank the King's wine to make sure it wasn't poisoned.

Regardless of how this TA looks. We need to analyze Compass's TA to see how their vote goes. There might be some leverage based off that to send ours back to the drawing board, for some minor tweaks. Particularly per-diem. A super regional should deserve an industry leading contract.

ding ding ding.....they did but since Matchpoint worked there he can't blame himself, it's always the other airline's fault.

I said I wasn't going to comment on this anymore, but its been a while and I'm no longer ****ed off about it getting passed.

However, PSA didn't accept a "HUGE CONCESSIONARY" contract, we modified 2 items, Longevity length and health on a decent regional contract. Our current deal also got extended to 10 years. I can't say I'm happy about what we have now but it isn't a "dagger in the heart" to regional contracts. A 12 year longevity cap is in line with major carriers, and my health insurance went DOWN this year. That's right....DOWN.

Anyone who was already above the new longevity cap stays above it. Anyone coming in to this industry should not plan on staying at a regional for 12+ years in the current environment and therefore will never see the cap anyway.

Again, this is not the ideal situation for us but our contract otherwise is decent.

I am a bottom line holder at PSA(there were only 6 lines awarded below my seniority) and I have 18 days off with xmas and new years off for december and 16 days off with thanksgiving off for november. All of this is due to our "HUGE CONCESSIONARY" contract.

I know I'm gonna get hit hard for this post so have at it.

I wish XJT all the best for their new deal, you all deserve it.

There is no vote at Compass. Management and our MEC agreed on 95% of our new contract, the rest was sent to an arbitrator.

So then is the contract ratified? And if yes what was the DOS?

Yes it is, no word yet from them on exact DOS.

Comair's paycuts were much like XJTs and Horizons; it took them from industry leading to competitive. Not the very bottom….. Plus Comair, Horizon and XJTs concessions didn’t send shockwaves throughout the industry like 9E and PSA’s.

Hahahaha, "my hate." That's too funny..... I don't hate anyone and I don't blame 9E pilots for the circumstances that surrounded their contract. When I posted I posted about what your TA has done to the industry and I sure as hell never "threatened or accused." Stop making things up, you're stretching. I find it extremely comical that everyone's willing stand up and talk about unity within the industry and then cry’s when no one comes to their rescue. The only unity that matters is the unity within your airline and you need to understand that pilots outside of your carrier are your competition. I work for SkyWest and when SkyWest succeeds I succeed and when they fail I fail just like what happen at 9E.

I think you need to see a shrink for your anger issues my friend.

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Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler (Post 1524285)

I'll agree the Pinnacle contract is a raw deal. I work under it. Those were a different set of circumstances then PSA and now yourself.

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Interesting, when did SkyWest cap our payscales at 12 years and cut our top CAs pay by 22%? I was unaware we took concessions, damn. More than likely you just don't know who "OO" is.

All valid points....... regardless these contracts have been used to force those who in negotiations into lower paying TAs. Mgmt. doesn't care that 9E was in bankruptcy; they only care about what their cost structure currently is and how they can manipulate their pilots into something similar.

And please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't 9E also received interviews for their CAs at Delta with a guaranteed number of seats for signing the new TA.....? I could be wrong but I thought I heard something like this.

If I was you........I'd vote no.

Worked where? Comair? Damn you guys are stretching or just Delusional. I never worked for Comair, I work for SkyWest. Do you guys know who OO is, hell you probably have no clue what "add in" means. lol You guys are the reason why people hate coming on these boards; you bicker, attack and fight like a bunch of little school girls.

Sad, you guys have some anger issues, you need some help before it ruins your lives...

I do not work for XJT but I have a few friends over there and they don't scare easily.


Now back on topic, did you guys at XJT keep your vacation (L-XJT) rules?

Asks the pilot with no vote.

Because he has to rely on everyone else's vote.

My bad, I know what OO is, i thought you worked (formerly obviously) for Comair. My Mistake. But don't preach to us about bickering and attacking when you did the same thing!!!!

The cuts were during the giant Delta bankruptcy. The cuts came under the guise of the bankruptcy proceedings but were not nearly as draconian as either Pinnacle's or PSA's agreements. Of course Pinnacle's were under the guise of a bankruptcy too, although the Comair pilots voted the first offering in bankruptcy down unlike the Pinnacle pilots that accepted theirs. PSA pilots were just clueless doing what they did. There was no bankruptcy.

We (Comair pilots) never got a chance to vote to "save" our jobs. Delta just announced that we are going to shut you down in 63 days; Good Luck!!

No worries, you're not alone; there are a lot of posters on here who make false accusations and assumptions. Not that working for Comair was a thing, at one time they were an amazing regional.

I'm not bickering or attacking anyone, it’s what you presume given that the written work is one dimensional. I make comments in general and people then attack. It matters not, the truth hurts but people here love to get personal when all I want to talk about is business.

Actually, 9E won all of its bankruptcy court dealings fighting this.

It wasn't until Delta stepped in and started doing all of managements "negotiations", and point blank said this is our final offer, take it or die.

It worked.


Still better than anyone else that accepts concessions "because Pinnacle did it".

That would suck.

Zing....lol...Ignorance is bliss. We've voted on every agreement we've had and voted several down just to renegotiate for better pay and rules, but then again many on here don't care about facts. They'd rather post hearsay, rumors and conspiracies. Posters such as yourself like to talk about us riding coat tails but there are policies here which we've had for years that most regionals either don't have or received over the past couple years. We worry about our own ship because it's who we work for and yes what other do affects us but the majority of the time it's negatively. Regardless we deal and do the best we can.

9E, PSA, RAH, Compass, Mesa, AE, etc. are our competitors. Just like in every other industry in the world not everyone can succeed, that’s a liberal BS snowflake view. You probably thing every kid deserves a trophy for showing up.

Man you guys sure can derail a thread.

Lol, ok, so then Skywest will allow you to vote on your next concessionary contract.

Must be nice.

And this "derail" wasn't started by us, it was everyone else telling us how easy it is to vote "no". (for the sake of the industry)

Our "next." When was our first? haha Still making things up are we?

You work for XJT right? Go back and read all my postings, ever, and you won't come across a single posting where I advised anyone to vote no or yes. That's your decision so you do what you feel is best for you and your company and forget about everyone else. People will give their opinions but who cares, I don't. And yes I give opinions as well but I will never bash you or any other pilot personally because I'm not in your shoes or work for your company. I will however talk about its effect on us but don't take it personal; I'm just talking from a business stand point.

Next as in "your next vote"

just for clarification.

Clarification is good. lol It looks like no concessions but status quo for us. We're focusing on better work rules in regard to part 117 and nailing down out E175 rates.

Ok. You do that.

You're too funny but don't worry we will and you do the same because that all any of us can control. Vote for what best for you, your pilot group and your airline.
I hope you all get a solid TA.

I'm 9E, now it's someone else's turn to show us how it's done.

So Match, are you making false accusations and assumptions, or stretching or delusional? sorry couldn't resist :D But back to the TA....

I did as earlier who you worked for... you never responded. You guys were between a rock and a hard place and I don't fault you personally. Regardless your concessionary TA hurt the industry average but I don't have to tell you that, you already know it and live it.

Best of luck.

Did you not understand that was a question or what a question looks like? Many of you will do anything to attack another pilot when they are just trying to have a conversation. You're like a rabid dog foaming at the mouth waiting for any opening to jump in a pounce.

"you work for (insert airline here) right?" is an assumption. You are expecting a yes answer. "you're a stripper right?" A question would be "who do you work for?" Just like "you can keep your health care, period." Nothing vague ;)

It was a question looking for a response. Much like asking, "you wanted a coke right?" I might have thought you said coke so I asked. I couldn't remember who he said he worked for so instead of making an incorrect statement I asked. It truly is as simple as that my friend.


Good night all, I truly do wish us all the best but in the end it's all just dumb luck. I don't like seeing any of us go through what 9E, Comair or ACA had to deal with. take care.