I think that I would just stick to the sky slopes. Do me a favor. I cant quite remember the responses to the challenge and response to the fleet protection plan. Could you get his wife to look it up for me?

The company has said before, I think via FCIF, that allowing your wife or anyone else to log in as you is forbidden.

I can't believe you're advocating that on a public forum! And people are in denial about BOTs and people cheating. :rolleyes:

This is may be the dumbest post yet.

Of course, they leave the entrust app with their wife or neighbor. And they love pinging open time for me at 3AM. My neighbor really wants me to fly charters. Seriously?

I agree. Ain't gonna happen. An educated guess tells me these guys are on FxCal all day, pinging every couple of minutes. They aren't leaving their phone to their spouse, friend or neighbor to cover the times they're in the air. Not gonna happen. Plus the fact that the company can easily track if you're in the air and manage to put in for something.

I go with the theory that they had heads up on the charters.

It’s tough to interpret sarcasm and humor on these boards.

Here is how I believe they (we all know who they are) acquire the charters:

General Makeup Submission using PMU (#1 on the open time pecking order is PMU...PNP is #2 so this isn't the problem imho)...something like min 4-max 7 day, DDH, International should do it.

Then just wait...and this request will earlier time stamp everyone else...even those hawking open time. They might have tipper on charters but it isn't required.

Ever wonder why a trip gets frozen (FZ)? I believe it is because they are waiting for #1 PMU guy with the volunteer request in to either accept or reject the trip...maybe he is flying and that is why a trip gets frozen.

A trip meeting his criteria pops into open time and while all us mortals are clicking away on FxCal trying to get it...guess who gets it...PMU boy.

There might be some way he drops the trip and picks it up at 3 am to preserve PMU but I'm not sure about this as I have never had an hour of PMU. Does it expire? Can it be recycled and reset? I would like to know how these guys are constantly able to have so much PMU. That is what seems fishy to me. Everything else is legal and isn't a BOT imo.

Standing by for spears and please tell me where I'm wrong so we can figure this out.

As a side note, PurpleToolBox, congrats on living up to your name. Your 3 hours open time suggestion and priority going to senior guys for open time is the dumbest thing on the internets today. Here is your sign.

I’ve been told that the trip are frozen because the pairings are incomplete.

Purple lurker, I don't think your General Makeup idea using PMU would work. I've tried using PMU for general makeup, trips that fit my parameters come open, and nada. Maybe someone else can weigh in on their experience.

It worked with a General Makeup request for me the one time I had PMU. Maybe your parameters weren't met even though it appeared they were? Just a guess.
As far as recycling PMU? - I've never tried but I have been told by someone who has that it works. Drop the trip and pick it back up as normal M/U and your PMU is available again.

I consider that a bit over the line. Definitely not in the spirit of why PMU came to be. It is designed to give someone a chance to make themselves whole after a schedule disruption, not grab multiple trips ahead of everyone else over and over. :mad:

I’ve heard they trade with each other. So whoever has days off snags said parameters and then they basically swap with each other.

Wolf packers are busy proffering today since they’ve taken the snapshot. How much PNP did they get this month? We need to end PNP now....

I don't see any proffers (maybe they've already disappeared), and what snapshots are taken on a Wednesday afternoon? Is this for carryover/secondary lines?

I can only speak for the MD-11. This concerns secondary line.

Scheduling takes a snap shot of your schedule after the SLG opens. People are bidding min days off, and will be given credit for carryover days. After secondary lines are built, they will take the number of credit hours awarded, then give them PNP to make up for their loss. Simple formula:

Average BLG - Secondary line credit hours = PNP

So, now that the snapshot has been taken (and they are given credit for min days off), they proffer their carryover trips. They’ve freed up the end of the month (where their carryover used to be) and use their PNP to feast on the best trips. Then they do it again next month, and the next...

For those in the MD, if you’re wondering how they seem to have an endless supply of Priority time, that’s how. PNP is only awarded on Secondary lines when bidding min days off.

Again, another well intended plan, but not used as intended. And don’t forget, PNP never expires so the FO Wolfpack will bring that with them to the left seat...

So you’re doing this then I assume? I don’t understand what’s wrong...is it smartly using the rules to bid? And are they always changing their schedule at the last min to pull this off?

I only speak for myself, but there’s something to be said for knowing my schedule a month out, or later with VTO. If guys are willing to destabilize their work (and family?) schedule constantly, I say good for them.

Help a new guy out...are they violating rules or just being smart with the existing rules? I want to learn contract stuff, but holy ****, that document puts me to sleep.

That's not the Wolfpack. That's your contract. You probably don't like pilots doing -12 each month either. But I agree, pnp needs to go. Vote better.

I voted no, so what’s your point? And yes they’re wolfpackers, most of the guys doing this are the ones people ***** about constantly.

I never said it was illegal. I said it was a well intended contract addition that hasn’t worked out great for the majority. Ever notice that it’s extremely difficult to get a trip due to priority make up?

I could care less about -12, at least it doesn’t time stamp your request.

It’s perfectly legal. But, it was never the intent of the contract. We never had PNP before this contract, nor the ability to proffer. Now, put them both together and it certainly isn’t the intent.

The main culprits in the MD are the Wolfpack. People complain incessantly about them, yet this gives them more ability to keep hoarding trips.

Golf,
I think the snapshot is taken on Friday when the initial secondary inputs close in conjunction with the close of vacation adjustments. Planning uses that snapshot to provide the practice build for Saturday morning.

I believe it’s already been taken.

I don't mean to turn this into a Union bashing post, but why aren't we preparing for the next contract? We should be polling and nailing down our top items for the next contract. Wasting time means they're going to push the next contract out further. We should demand a contract within six months of the amendable date.

You realize that's 2 years and likely another 3-500 newhires away?

And how complex is it?

I want more money for less work.
Want to fix the deviation bank lie flats issue we lost in a grievance (and because our idiotic NC apparently never friggin asked during negotiations, all assurances to the contrary)
Cash over Cap

Yep, we're screwed.

What's the harm in being prepared and ready? The union should be pushing for unity and understanding the needs of the line pilot.

And you don't see any union efforts on unity? Or understanding the needs of the line pilot?
Many of the block reps aren't long time Union seagulls. And were\are line pilots.

Rather than polling, and then re-polling, and then repeating once again as we get within a year.
I'd rather submit the desires\dreams once.

Better thing to do, and I'm not quite sure how "legal" it is since the Union has a duty to maintain the status quo, would be to start advocating for pilots to establish their own strike funds. Either via savings or lines of credit, but have your financial house in order such that you DON'T need to work 100% of carryover or training on days off to get by. You Don't need to sell back your vacation. Don't trade up your BLG. Don't go negative each month in your M\U bank.

All of the things we can legally do, as individuals, to exert pressure on the company. And all things the Union Can't tell us to do unless we are released.

Yes. Exactly!!!

Other carriers will have negotiated two contracts by the time we manage to get the next one. Screwing around for years because of this, that, blah blah blah, is insanity and only costing the crew force money. Gee, if we string it out long enough, maybe we'll be in a recession. Better take this offer because it will take three years to negotiate another one. Delay, delay, delay.:eek: