I’m all for giving it away because it’s useless in my view. If it was so important guy would not have hundreds of hours in their bank. And yes that includes me

Now you really want to screw guys who drop a whole month in order to pick up more flying later in the year.

No they won’t be screwed because there’ll be no limit on how much they can pick up. FedEx is the only company with makeup bank. I don’t see how guys will get screwed. They’ll be hawking OT and submitting request the same way they do now.

Senior = unlimited carryover = makeup bank as needed = fly all you want at straight time.
Junior = scrounge for BLG, carryout, whatever = small or no makeup bank = limited paycheck.

My guess is the company would love to get rid of makeup banks, as more pilots would fly more trips at straight time.

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I’m not following your logic. You are against having real time trading because of OTP? You are against unlimited open time pick up because of makeup bank? You are against a hybrid of having real time trading and have a limit in picking up open time because they chose to drop their trips? If there is no limit, that wouldn’t be an issue...but you are against lifting the limit. Maybe you feel the system is fine right now?

There are other airlines that do this equitably every month.

Lastly, I don’t appreciate you insinuating that I want to screw anyone. I’m a commuter and don’t pick anything up anyway. I’m just thinking out loud in trying to come up with a compromise to allow real time trading and also limit people from picking up too much open time (since thet seems to be the embedded culture here). Can you think of a way to have real time trip trading and not screwing pilots over in whatever way you think it will screw them?

It was a rhetorical you. Why you assume I am against real time trip trading is unknown to me. I am all for it. Let me summarize.

I am for a maximum split between high and low lines.

I am against allowing guys to pick up trips with only far limitations.

I think the make up bank is the way to manage these things and control the “Wolfpack” amongst us.

The company appears to have shifted to an overmanning mode; if the amount of available open time is any indication.

Or it may be because they are disallowing any drops due to "Max Open Exceeded per 25.L.2.a".

If only there was some way we could Proffer trips to our peers.

maybe we need to make that a priority for the next CBA
:-)

Frank the Tank,

what exactly, does the Variable Pension Plan have to do with the topic at hand?

If I tell you, accurately, that I was a Proud Proponent of Hysteria (not really, although I did vote against the FDA LOA and advocated, vocally, against it...didn't agree with the burn it down mentality then, or now. Democracy is ugly at times.)

Does that make my comment that Real Time Trip trading eliminates OTP?

See, the nice thing now is that you can go out and mow your lawn, go to church, eat dinner, all without having to be constantly scanning Open Time for that primo cherry trip to regain the hours you've elected to drop versus remaining in Substitution.

I have heard other airlines Don't have Substitution. Great, I've also heard other airlines have an airport hold option if the trip cancels but they don't always use it.

Great, CRS can release you early from SUB as well...but they rarely use it.
Sometimes we're in SUB for legality, thus there's NO way CRS can use us.

And Sometimes, CRS cancels trips weeks in advance. Recent history there's been an individual with a Carryover trip pondering his options after CRS cancelled his trip. And wondering how that impacts on his November bid.

At it's core, I see the complaints about real time trip trading and I have to wonder is it really that painful to have to wait for something that's days or weeks in the future. And, it absolutely is for those people who are refreshing open time every 30 seconds.

I tend to wind up with OTP occasionally. Think twice this year. But just because it's rare for me, doesn't mean I think the ability to use it should be severely impacted by a change in typical processing times.
It's a nice ability to be able to say No to CRS when they come up with a BS Sub trip early (or a RAT trip you can't\don't want to fly)

All that being said, I would happily give up OTP in exchange for FedEx totally eliminating SUB and agreeing that the Pay is guaranteed once assigned and all of the things that trigger SUB today mean I get to go home with 100% of my pay.

I just think that there's no way FedEx agrees to that in CBA 202X

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Didn’t seem like it was rhetorical. I guess we are even in the assumptions now.

I like the idea about being able to select certain criteria for a trip and if it fits your parameters, it gets assigned to you with the ability to decline it within a certain amount of time. This way, we can have real time trading, keep the bank system, and allow OTP.