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opt0712 09-24-2021 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 3299589)
Well, let’s count apples to apples. If you count just “mainline” planes, it’s about 285 to 400. If you count non mainline planes, as in 200+ Caravans, ATR, and count UPS non mainline, then it’s more like 550 to 650. But, as explained earlier, employee count is the key number. We move more volume on the ground than Fedex, so saying 650 vs 250 is completely inaccurate and misleading.

I'm sorry were you not talking about staffing as a whole at FedEx? I misunderstood.

PurpleToolBox 09-24-2021 05:32 PM

Please stop the UPS versus FedEx bash and vice versa.

It’s really stupid.

C2078 09-25-2021 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 3299938)
Please stop the UPS versus FedEx bash and vice versa.

It’s really stupid.

Just making a comment, then someone makes a really stupid comparison requiring clarification. I have the upmost respect for Fedex, my comment was never meant to bash the job, more like a brainstorming why two very similar companies, a duopoly for a long time, are diverging so much with a very similar product delivery/service.

DirtyPurple 09-25-2021 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by C2078 (Post 3300150)
Just making a comment, then someone makes a really stupid comparison requiring clarification. I have the upmost respect for Fedex, my comment was never meant to bash the job, more like a brainstorming why two very similar companies, a duopoly for a long time, are diverging so much with a very similar product delivery/service.


I took your comments as purely analytical. No offense dude. I like having these discussions, hearing the perspective from a company I’ve never worked for. Come on over any time and throw in…if I ever have anything useful in the UPS forum, I’ll do the same. Fortunately for everyone’s sanity, I haven’t found my opening yet. ;)

JohnBurke 09-25-2021 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 3299838)
I've tried to update APC; however, they only want information that comes from a legit business email domain, not public (Gmail, yahoo, AOL, Fastmail etc etc). Therefore they rejected all of my information.

You work for one of the highest paying airlines in the world.

Get a real email address.

Always intriguing when a guy making a few hundred thousand has an gmail address, "[email protected]"

Probably starving, given that they only put two snack boxes on each flight...

BertMacklinFBI 09-25-2021 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3300257)
You work for one of the highest paying airlines in the world.

Get a real email address.

Always intriguing when a guy making a few hundred thousand has an gmail address, "[email protected]"

Probably starving, given that they only put two snack boxes on each flight...

lol. Who pays for their own domain so they can brag about having a “real” email. I do see that [email protected] is taken.

PurpleToolBox 09-25-2021 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3300257)
You work for one of the highest paying airlines in the world.

Get a real email address.

Always intriguing when a guy making a few hundred thousand has an gmail address, "[email protected]"

Probably starving, given that they only put two snack boxes on each flight...

You missed understood my comment. Maybe I didn't make it crystal. APC wants information about FedEx from a FEDEX domain. I even sent them PDFs the company gave us and they rejected it. Oh well.

If they don't trust their users information, then I'm not going to go out of my way to update them. And you would be a fool to use your own business/company email to send information to APC.

Noworkallplay 09-25-2021 10:16 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 3298615)
^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

Anyone looking to come to FedEx should think twice and wait for the results of our current contract negotiations. In a few months, this may become the place NOT to be hired at.


You seriously need to consider a mental evaluation.

Noworkallplay 09-25-2021 10:19 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 3300295)
You missed understood my comment. Maybe I didn't make it crystal. APC wants information about FedEx from a FEDEX domain. I even sent them PDFs the company gave us and they rejected it. Oh well.

If they don't trust their users information, then I'm not going to go out of my way to update them. And you would be a fool to use your own business/company email to send information to APC.


You have proven time and time again to be an odd duck. You are the 5% every airline has. I bet you are on the no fly list. Time to take a leave of absence with how miserable you sound. Maybe a career field change would do you good to bring you back to reality.

PurpleToolBox 09-26-2021 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay;[url=tel:3300367
3300367[/url]]You have proven time and time again to be an odd duck. You are the 5% every airline has. I bet you are on the no fly list. Time to take a leave of absence with how miserable you sound. Maybe a career field change would do you good to bring you back to reality.

While I sometimes may not have a popular opinion, I’m not a management troll who has been blocked on here by a lot of people.

FedEx pilots are not in a good situation — most don’t realize it. Their behavior during this contract will define their legacy. With the tightest manning levels I’ve ever seen the trips keep getting filled, pilots on social media keep asking questions the union has answered numerous times because they’re not paying attention and the company is long-term outsourcing pilot jobs on bigger equipment than what FedEx pilots fly. Many are concerned but no action. After all of the kudos and thank yous, we find out that they came to the table with concessions and more efficiencies. It’s the slow boil.

Will the FedEx pilots pass up another moment of monumental leverage that will probably never happen again?

FedEx’s stock is near pre-Covid lows because investors are tired of hearing the same song and dance from management. FedEx’s on time performance is very low while the other shipping companies are doing good. They only have a few weeks to fix the operation as this will become a disaster during peak. And God help us if we have bad weather this season. FedEx has already angered many shipping partners/customers with late performance. Ask yourself, when was the last time your flight was on time? It happens but rarely. Being late has become the new normal.

Precedence was set during the COVID fallout when the government gave bailouts to the passenger airlines provided that they didn’t furlough. If FedEx ever gets into a situation where jobs need to be reduced, there’s no way Congress is going to lobby to save FedEx pilots’ jobs.

So while the future is sketchy at FedEx, I don’t think it is crazy to advise a new hire to test the waters somewhere else first until after this peak and future TA. However, always go to the airline that calls you first.


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