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Old 09-28-2022 | 03:31 PM
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Pat delivered an outstanding motivational speech at the rally. My comment afterwards to him was two words: Print. Publish.




He did.




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There's no reason every pilot should not hear every word he said. Every. Word. I saw a videographer with a very nice camera recording it all -- it should be on YouTube right now.




My fingers are crossed for the video.








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Old 09-28-2022 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer

Signing bonus is a no vote from me. The only way, the absolute only way to get a contract in a timely manner is to get full retro pay. Otherwise, the longer the company drags their feet, the more money they save and they know it. I know some on this board don't want that because it rewards people who flew extra, but so be it. Negotiating for a signing bonus is stupid, and will hurt us when we try to get the next contract.

Full retro or vote no!

The name is not as important as how it's computed. The dollars should equal or exceed the value of the money we did NOT receive in compensation and benefits (such as Defined Contribution rates and contributions) due to the delay in raising our pay rates. If that criteria is met, I don't care what it's called.

What we should not expect is an adjustment to our pay checks in years past that would reflect retroactive pay rate increases. That would involve recomputing our taxes, and more importantly, The Company's taxes for past years. The Company won't do that.

Our MEC will have a say in how the money is divided and dispersed. Thanks to past cases where ALPA pilots sued their own union, ALPA policy will require that dollar values be computed and an appeal process will be followed to address anyone who disagrees with their computed share. Expect a large proportion of the individual dollar value early on in the process. The amount may be split over multiple tax years if that is determined to be advantageous to pilots. A small percentage of the total will be held back to cover the possibility that errors were made or appeals were granted, and then the final small portion will be dispersed.

Our concern should be how much, and how is it divided and distributed. The MEC will make that determination. We should all let our Local Council Reps know our opinions as to how the money is divided.

So, pay no attention to what it's called. Focus on how much it is. Self-inflicted gunshot wounds in the foot are not helpful.






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Old 09-28-2022 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
The name is not as important as how it's computed. The dollars should equal or exceed the value of the money we did NOT receive in compensation and benefits (such as Defined Contribution rates and contributions) due to the delay in raising our pay rates. If that criteria is met, I don't care what it's called.

What we should not expect is an adjustment to our pay checks in years past that would reflect retroactive pay rate increases. That would involve recomputing our taxes, and more importantly, The Company's taxes for past years. The Company won't do that.

Our MEC will have a say in how the money is divided and dispersed. Thanks to past cases where ALPA pilots sued their own union, ALPA policy will require that dollar values be computed and an appeal process will be followed to address anyone who disagrees with their computed share. Expect a large proportion of the individual dollar value early on in the process. The amount may be split over multiple tax years if that is determined to be advantageous to pilots. A small percentage of the total will be held back to cover the possibility that errors were made or appeals were granted, and then the final small portion will be dispersed.

Our concern should be how much, and how is it divided and distributed. The MEC will make that determination. We should all let our Local Council Reps know our opinions as to how the money is divided.

So, pay no attention to what it's called. Focus on how much it is. Self-inflicted gunshot wounds in the foot are not helpful.






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As long as the DRF/AVA/VLT/200CREDITPERMO club is not getting rewarded more than the guys who flew BLG, a signing bonus is fine. But if they calculate it on hours credited since amenable date, we gonna have issues.
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Old 09-28-2022 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
As long as the DRF/AVA/VLT/200CREDITPERMO club is not getting rewarded more than the guys who flew BLG, a signing bonus is fine. But if they calculate it on hours credited since amenable date, we gonna have issues.

SLOW CLAP…..YESSSSSS

Historically it has been calculated on bid guarantee. I would assume the same going forward.
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Old 09-28-2022 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

Historically it has been calculated on bid guarantee.

More proof you're a fraud.






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Old 09-29-2022 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
SLOW CLAP…..YESSSSSS

Historically it has been calculated on bid guarantee. I would assume the same going forward.
Would rather be paid and made whole for all of those extensions. An 84 hour involuntary can easily turn into 120+ when there are no deadheads to get you home or you have crew rest changes after the last landing overseas. We are letting the company off too cheap if we don't recoup all of that.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by VSTOLG4
Would rather be paid and made whole for all of those extensions. An 84 hour involuntary can easily turn into 120+ when there are no deadheads to get you home or you have crew rest changes after the last landing overseas. We are letting the company off too cheap if we don't recoup all of that.
The involuntary extension is the limit. If there are no deadheads available for the extension, then you don't have to do it. If things change, then no more revenue legs on that trip after the last flight sequence that kept it an involuntary extension, they just have to find you a way home and keep paying you 200% until they get you home. I bet once they realized you weren't going to fly another revenue flight on the trip, they would've found a way to get you home.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 07:50 AM
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I hate to bring bad news but the company will never agree to retro pay. That would require them (and you) to make changes to prior years tax filings etc etc.

The union has addressed this before in previous Contract Q&As.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
More proof you're a fraud.






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Obviously more factors are taken into account like seat and airplane. The response was regarding getting credit for AVA/Drft. That is not included.
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Old 09-29-2022 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

Historically it has been calculated on bid guarantee.

Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

Obviously more factors are taken into account like seat and airplane.

Still wrong. When you say "historically" you refer to what has happened, what has been documented, and what can be verified as facts. You also refer to what real pilots have personally experienced, and therefore know.

At FedEx it has never been "calculated on bid guarantee" and "more factors." Historically we have received one of six fractions of the total sum allotted by The Company. Only one factor has determined the individual pilot's fraction.

(Talk to your pilot buddy and he/she can fill you in.)






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