Buyer's remorse??
02-07-2023, 05:31 PM
#451
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Need to get flights out of SYD so what is closer CAN or LAX? We need planes leaving from Asia back to the US. Not enough revenue to justify a flight back to LAX so belly freight docs ect. SIN SYD was added to tie in DXB flight and CDG SIN flight. Plane goes back to Asia from SYD.
So we make money flying in not out but planes gotta get out of SYD.
We fly a B777 full of empty cans to HNL KIX just to get more cans in Asia and a plane.
Big trade unbalance between Asia and US.
So we make money flying in not out but planes gotta get out of SYD.
We fly a B777 full of empty cans to HNL KIX just to get more cans in Asia and a plane.
Big trade unbalance between Asia and US.
02-07-2023, 05:36 PM
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We fly it to SYD from HNL carrying US stuff.
I do not know all the ASL routes but I thought once we opened the new sort building in CDG that we would close our ops in LGG. I was in LGG two weeks ago and it was busier than ever.
So maybe they are operating to these cities out of both places and there isn’t enough freight for a 757. Just a wild as guess.
Not defending management talking flying from us but Fedex services almost every country in the world. How do you think the freight gets out of the countries that we do not fly too?
I do not know all the ASL routes but I thought once we opened the new sort building in CDG that we would close our ops in LGG. I was in LGG two weeks ago and it was busier than ever.
So maybe they are operating to these cities out of both places and there isn’t enough freight for a 757. Just a wild as guess.
Not defending management talking flying from us but Fedex services almost every country in the world. How do you think the freight gets out of the countries that we do not fly too?
02-07-2023, 05:38 PM
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What I read is that there’s not enough freight out of SYD to justify deploying a 777 on a dedicated SYD-CONUS route every day and that it makes more sense to route our aircraft through Asia because we send way more stuff TO Australia from the US than the other way around. If a UAL flight can carry a day’s worth of our freight in the belly along with a full load of pax plus their bags, it probably ain’t worth all the dinosaurs it would take to send our metal straight back home. Not saying I like it, but it’s not like we can put a 757 on that route.
I have no real knowledge of how it all works because I don’t fly over there, but that’s the way I read his explanation.
I have no real knowledge of how it all works because I don’t fly over there, but that’s the way I read his explanation.
02-07-2023, 05:51 PM
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Im trying to understand. Are you saying there is no way for FedEx to fly the freight to SYD, through somewhere else we already operate to, that is currently being flown on UAL to SYD?
By the way, this is just ONE example of many. We were doing many flights that ASL is now doing. I wonder how many other examples there are?
By the way, this is just ONE example of many. We were doing many flights that ASL is now doing. I wonder how many other examples there are?
02-07-2023, 06:05 PM
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02-07-2023, 06:19 PM
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I agree with you, Clarence. I think that was the gist of the argument. But how much freight is being moved by pax planes under the auspices of, it’s not enough to warrant a trunk aircraft? SYD-LAX is a bit extreme, but how about MIA-BOG? We are painfully learning that our scope is non-existent. Atlas is still flying our boxes and now, so are numerous pax carriers. As a FedEx pilot, I want compensation for that freight in United’s belly. Or I want it on our own metal. If the situation were reversed, United pilots would want compensation for their pax we carry in our belly’s. I’d rather fly a 777 with 40k of payload, then receive nothing for United hauling it for us. I’ll beg Greta for forgiveness for the increased carbon footprint.
02-07-2023, 06:29 PM
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I agree with you, Clarence. I think that was the gist of the argument. But how much freight is being moved by pax planes under the auspices of, it’s not enough to warrant a trunk aircraft? SYD-LAX is a bit extreme, but how about MIA-BOG? We are painfully learning that our scope is non-existent. Atlas is still flying our boxes and now, so are numerous pax carriers. As a FedEx pilot, I want compensation for that freight in United’s belly. Or I want it on our own metal. If the situation were reversed, United pilots would want compensation for their pax we carry in our belly’s. I’d rather fly a 777 with 40k of payload, then receive nothing for United hauling it for us. I’ll beg Greta for forgiveness for the increased carbon footprint.
The belly freight is a different story and analogy. If we have RLA rights to limit those routes we should. I pointed out that RLA has its limits and scope boundaries. You can’t override other countries laws or regulations. This is why none US airlines can’t operate intra US flights.
A simple Google search on NMB and RLA boundaries is in order for some it appears. Then dive into cabotage law and country agreements.
02-07-2023, 06:36 PM
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I agree with you, Clarence. I think that was the gist of the argument. But how much freight is being moved by pax planes under the auspices of, it’s not enough to warrant a trunk aircraft? SYD-LAX is a bit extreme, but how about MIA-BOG? We are painfully learning that our scope is non-existent. Atlas is still flying our boxes and now, so are numerous pax carriers. As a FedEx pilot, I want compensation for that freight in United’s belly. Or I want it on our own metal. If the situation were reversed, United pilots would want compensation for their pax we carry in our belly’s. I’d rather fly a 777 with 40k of payload, then receive nothing for United hauling it for us. I’ll beg Greta for forgiveness for the increased carbon footprint.
I wince every time I taxi down V in MEM and see that Atlas 747 sitting on our ramp. Hate seeing our freight moved on anything other than a purple tail, especially when our domestic lines are at contractual mins.
02-07-2023, 06:59 PM
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I believe the Atlas long term contract is up in April. Don’t like seeing their plane on our ramps either.
Next time you are in ATL during the day. We probably have 5-6 wide bodies and a few narrow bodies on the ramp. You think ATL is a giant manufacturing city?
Most of those FedEx planes are to get the belly freight from cities we do not operate our own planes too. One city for example Lagos Nigeria!
Next time you are in ATL during the day. We probably have 5-6 wide bodies and a few narrow bodies on the ramp. You think ATL is a giant manufacturing city?
Most of those FedEx planes are to get the belly freight from cities we do not operate our own planes too. One city for example Lagos Nigeria!
02-08-2023, 01:41 PM
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Bad analogy. Ask United, AA or DAL how many penalty payments they get for code share pax going on ANA, Aero Mexico, Ailitalia, or pax going on UA, DAL, or AA Express. All of these flight touch us soil. The answer is none. We get penalty payments on flights normally operated by FDX pilots. That’s how we protect the pilfering of our routes. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
The belly freight is a different story and analogy. If we have RLA rights to limit those routes we should. I pointed out that RLA has its limits and scope boundaries. You can’t override other countries laws or regulations. This is why none US airlines can’t operate intra US flights.
A simple Google search on NMB and RLA boundaries is in order for some it appears. Then dive into cabotage law and country agreements.
The belly freight is a different story and analogy. If we have RLA rights to limit those routes we should. I pointed out that RLA has its limits and scope boundaries. You can’t override other countries laws or regulations. This is why none US airlines can’t operate intra US flights.
A simple Google search on NMB and RLA boundaries is in order for some it appears. Then dive into cabotage law and country agreements.
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