Tarmac Tuesday: Ignorant and tone-deaf
#1
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Tarmac Tuesday: Ignorant and tone-deaf
Indication that the FDX MEC is completely ill equipped to handle the real task at hand. It’s an absolute embarrassment and a shiny aircraft display of true loyalty to the company, not its pilot members. Why no strike vote?? Why the continued empty threats like “Now is the time!” Or what? The MEC chair may send out another marginally professional and empty promised email?? And I quote..”However, if it becomes evident that the process is no longer productive, we will not hesitate to utilize all available legal tools at our disposal to move forward.”
REALLY???? When will that time come and honestly, how much longer are you willing to wait? What are the metrics to determine that the process is no longer productive? Your membership would like to know. Meanwhile MEC, your members are continuing to rapidly lose confidence in your ability to do your jobs.
REALLY???? When will that time come and honestly, how much longer are you willing to wait? What are the metrics to determine that the process is no longer productive? Your membership would like to know. Meanwhile MEC, your members are continuing to rapidly lose confidence in your ability to do your jobs.
#2
Indication that the FDX MEC is completely ill equipped to handle the real task at hand. It’s an absolute embarrassment and a shiny aircraft display of true loyalty to the company, not its pilot members. Why no strike vote?? Why the continued empty threats like “Now is the time!” Or what? The MEC chair may send out another marginally professional and empty promised email?? And I quote..”However, if it becomes evident that the process is no longer productive, we will not hesitate to utilize all available legal tools at our disposal to move forward.”
REALLY???? When will that time come and honestly, how much longer are you willing to wait? What are the metrics to determine that the process is no longer productive? Your membership would like to know. Meanwhile MEC, your members are continuing to rapidly lose confidence in your ability to do your jobs.
REALLY???? When will that time come and honestly, how much longer are you willing to wait? What are the metrics to determine that the process is no longer productive? Your membership would like to know. Meanwhile MEC, your members are continuing to rapidly lose confidence in your ability to do your jobs.
I know we're all frustrated that FDX doesn't value us, however under the RLA we have to continue to bargain in good faith. How long the company charade continues is anyone's guess. Don't think for a second the company won't use any sort of interpreted "bad faith" actions at the table against us and in the media.
#3
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Under the RLA, parties are required to make every reasonable effort to bargain until an “amicable agreement can be reached.” This can go on almost indefinitely and the determinations of the NMB are greatly deferred to by Federal courts. If our NC doesn't see continued progress at the table, then the request for an impasse should be made. Only those in the room bargaining know what this "progress" looks like, and I support them.
I know we're all frustrated that FDX doesn't value us, however under the RLA we have to continue to bargain in good faith. How long the company charade continues is anyone's guess. Don't think for a second the company won't use any sort of interpreted "bad faith" actions at the table against us and in the media.
I know we're all frustrated that FDX doesn't value us, however under the RLA we have to continue to bargain in good faith. How long the company charade continues is anyone's guess. Don't think for a second the company won't use any sort of interpreted "bad faith" actions at the table against us and in the media.
#4
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Limited negotiations
Unfortunately our association decided to open limited sections ( understandingly) trying to hit a home run aka industry leading contract ( pay and pension) . However. I believe our ask was weak once Delta “ PAY RATES” hit a grand slam! Now the wording seems to strongly indicate we will NOT be industry leading( unless you compare us to Atlas not the big 3 btw look at their market cap compared to ours !,,
I have spoken with reps about this and they say “ WE CANNOT EXPECT DAL RATES… vacation, pension, no pbs blah blah blah” How about we have $hitty RSV rules, as a 75 pilot I fly at night 99 percent of the time at night except for Covid when we ran so late I got to see the sunrise due to 2 hour sort delays. This does not even count 4 what intl pilots went through my perspective is nothing compared to lock downs.
I mentioned to one rep we need a 22% raise to start out and he and the JS laughed at me out loud. Then I showed them both Jet blue rates august of this year or next cannot remember 340 an hour for an Airbus Capt. According to my math a 12 year 75 FDX capt @272 and 12 JB Capt 340 well 340/272 = 1.25. Ie 25% for our NB Capt to ONLY MATCH JB. Yes I know we have a 15 year scale that is stupid but I can live with it if. My 12 yr matches the big 3 or even JB 12 yr this is only talking about NB pay.
So now back to original programming…. Negotiating in good faith. I think ( again my opinion ) 2 years of negotiation on only limited sections the company HAS NOT negotiated in good faith. What happened if we opened … I DONT KNOW SCOOOOOPE !!!!
STRIKE VOTE NOW!! Again my opinion due to mail contract and the critical freight we move ( medicine ,chemo drugs, hazardous material for pet scans etc) and the strong lobbyist we have ( 117 cargo carve out I have flow with previous FDX corp pilots we have a lot of influence in DC) we will not be allowed to strike but let’s get released for job action …. THE TIME IS NOW!
PS. DO not send ME a recoverable amendable payment , FULL RETRO PAY or I am a NO as a 75 capt a measly 35-50k payment. Not going to get paid .50 on the dollar with the $ hitty conditions we endured for 2 plus years during Covid.
feel free to give me perspective but as another contributor says FUPM NOW IS THE TIME
I have spoken with reps about this and they say “ WE CANNOT EXPECT DAL RATES… vacation, pension, no pbs blah blah blah” How about we have $hitty RSV rules, as a 75 pilot I fly at night 99 percent of the time at night except for Covid when we ran so late I got to see the sunrise due to 2 hour sort delays. This does not even count 4 what intl pilots went through my perspective is nothing compared to lock downs.
I mentioned to one rep we need a 22% raise to start out and he and the JS laughed at me out loud. Then I showed them both Jet blue rates august of this year or next cannot remember 340 an hour for an Airbus Capt. According to my math a 12 year 75 FDX capt @272 and 12 JB Capt 340 well 340/272 = 1.25. Ie 25% for our NB Capt to ONLY MATCH JB. Yes I know we have a 15 year scale that is stupid but I can live with it if. My 12 yr matches the big 3 or even JB 12 yr this is only talking about NB pay.
So now back to original programming…. Negotiating in good faith. I think ( again my opinion ) 2 years of negotiation on only limited sections the company HAS NOT negotiated in good faith. What happened if we opened … I DONT KNOW SCOOOOOPE !!!!
STRIKE VOTE NOW!! Again my opinion due to mail contract and the critical freight we move ( medicine ,chemo drugs, hazardous material for pet scans etc) and the strong lobbyist we have ( 117 cargo carve out I have flow with previous FDX corp pilots we have a lot of influence in DC) we will not be allowed to strike but let’s get released for job action …. THE TIME IS NOW!
PS. DO not send ME a recoverable amendable payment , FULL RETRO PAY or I am a NO as a 75 capt a measly 35-50k payment. Not going to get paid .50 on the dollar with the $ hitty conditions we endured for 2 plus years during Covid.
feel free to give me perspective but as another contributor says FUPM NOW IS THE TIME
#5
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Unfortunately our association decided to open limited sections ( understandingly) trying to hit a home run aka industry leading contract ( pay and pension) . However. I believe our ask was weak once Delta “ PAY RATES” hit a grand slam! Now the wording seems to strongly indicate we will NOT be industry leading( unless you compare us to Atlas not the big 3 btw look at their market cap compared to ours !,,
I have spoken with reps about this and they say “ WE CANNOT EXPECT DAL RATES… vacation, pension, no pbs blah blah blah” How about we have $hitty RSV rules, as a 75 pilot I fly at night 99 percent of the time at night except for Covid when we ran so late I got to see the sunrise due to 2 hour sort delays. This does not even count 4 what intl pilots went through my perspective is nothing compared to lock downs.
I mentioned to one rep we need a 22% raise to start out and he and the JS laughed at me out loud. Then I showed them both Jet blue rates august of this year or next cannot remember 340 an hour for an Airbus Capt. According to my math a 12 year 75 FDX capt @272 and 12 JB Capt 340 well 340/272 = 1.25. Ie 25% for our NB Capt to ONLY MATCH JB. Yes I know we have a 15 year scale that is stupid but I can live with it if. My 12 yr matches the big 3 or even JB 12 yr this is only talking about NB pay.
So now back to original programming…. Negotiating in good faith. I think ( again my opinion ) 2 years of negotiation on only limited sections the company HAS NOT negotiated in good faith. What happened if we opened … I DONT KNOW SCOOOOOPE !!!!
STRIKE VOTE NOW!! Again my opinion due to mail contract and the critical freight we move ( medicine ,chemo drugs, hazardous material for pet scans etc) and the strong lobbyist we have ( 117 cargo carve out I have flow with previous FDX corp pilots we have a lot of influence in DC) we will not be allowed to strike but let’s get released for job action …. THE TIME IS NOW!
PS. DO not send ME a recoverable amendable payment , FULL RETRO PAY or I am a NO as a 75 capt a measly 35-50k payment. Not going to get paid .50 on the dollar with the $ hitty conditions we endured for 2 plus years during Covid.
feel free to give me perspective but as another contributor says FUPM NOW IS THE TIME
I have spoken with reps about this and they say “ WE CANNOT EXPECT DAL RATES… vacation, pension, no pbs blah blah blah” How about we have $hitty RSV rules, as a 75 pilot I fly at night 99 percent of the time at night except for Covid when we ran so late I got to see the sunrise due to 2 hour sort delays. This does not even count 4 what intl pilots went through my perspective is nothing compared to lock downs.
I mentioned to one rep we need a 22% raise to start out and he and the JS laughed at me out loud. Then I showed them both Jet blue rates august of this year or next cannot remember 340 an hour for an Airbus Capt. According to my math a 12 year 75 FDX capt @272 and 12 JB Capt 340 well 340/272 = 1.25. Ie 25% for our NB Capt to ONLY MATCH JB. Yes I know we have a 15 year scale that is stupid but I can live with it if. My 12 yr matches the big 3 or even JB 12 yr this is only talking about NB pay.
So now back to original programming…. Negotiating in good faith. I think ( again my opinion ) 2 years of negotiation on only limited sections the company HAS NOT negotiated in good faith. What happened if we opened … I DONT KNOW SCOOOOOPE !!!!
STRIKE VOTE NOW!! Again my opinion due to mail contract and the critical freight we move ( medicine ,chemo drugs, hazardous material for pet scans etc) and the strong lobbyist we have ( 117 cargo carve out I have flow with previous FDX corp pilots we have a lot of influence in DC) we will not be allowed to strike but let’s get released for job action …. THE TIME IS NOW!
PS. DO not send ME a recoverable amendable payment , FULL RETRO PAY or I am a NO as a 75 capt a measly 35-50k payment. Not going to get paid .50 on the dollar with the $ hitty conditions we endured for 2 plus years during Covid.
feel free to give me perspective but as another contributor says FUPM NOW IS THE TIME
#6
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
#7
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Maybe the OP hasn't been paying attention, because if you look at the MEC socials now, it's full of picketing event highlights, and calls for the company to come to the table etc.
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
#8
Maybe the OP hasn't been paying attention, because if you look at the MEC socials now, it's full of picketing event highlights, and calls for the company to come to the table etc.
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
#9
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Maybe the OP hasn't been paying attention, because if you look at the MEC socials now, it's full of picketing event highlights, and calls for the company to come to the table etc.
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
I agree though, maybe hold off on the obligatory Tarmac and Flashback posts until we actually have something to be happy about.
#10
I mentioned to one rep we need a 22% raise to start out and he and the JS laughed at me out loud. Then I showed them both Jet blue rates august of this year or next cannot remember 340 an hour for an Airbus Capt. According to my math a 12 year 75 FDX capt @272 and 12 JB Capt 340 well 340/272 = 1.25. Ie 25% for our NB Capt to ONLY MATCH JB. Yes I know we have a 15 year scale that is stupid but I can live with it if. My 12 yr matches the big 3 or even JB 12 yr this is only talking about NB pay.
By "focused", I mean a release to take action that will "focus" the company.