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DaRaiders 04-14-2023 02:29 AM


Originally Posted by MrSuupafly (Post 3623971)
They don’t necessarily get to do it for free internationally. Any route traditionally flown by FedEx pilots incurs a scope penalty if that route is wet leased to another airline. The penalty is double the 15 year pay rate for a wide body Captain, FO and FE, multiplied by the block hours flown.

Cool. So we can expect another check for all the flying ASL is taking from us soon? Sweet!

Fr8Master 04-14-2023 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by DaRaiders (Post 3623979)
Cool. So we can expect another check for all the flying ASL is taking from us soon? Sweet!

If we can’t hammer down scope can we at least get an automatic flow agreement to ASL?

In all seriousness, the company stated the CGN FDA costs have increased to a level that is no longer sustainable? The exchange rate between the Euro and the Dollar is roughly 30% better TODAY than when they opened the domicile so I don’t buy that statement. Just six months ago they were plugging new hires into CGN….apparently in the last six months it just got way too expensive…..

JackStraw 04-14-2023 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Fr8Master (Post 3624000)
If we can’t hammer down scope can we at least get an automatic flow agreement to ASL?

In all seriousness, the company stated the CGN FDA costs have increased to a level that is no longer sustainable? The exchange rate between the Euro and the Dollar is roughly 30% better TODAY than when they opened the domicile so I don’t buy that statement. Just six months ago they were plugging new hires into CGN….apparently in the last six months it just got way too expensive…..


It got way too expensive compared to subcontracting out 737s. It’s pretty obvious what’s going on, the new BOD and McKinsey are squeezing out every drop and the gaping hole in our scope clause was the first place they went.

0617Ld 04-14-2023 05:29 AM

Glad everyone has come down from their covid high. And opened their eyes to how terrible our scope is and how the company will leverage it every day to make you fear for your jobs and further divide this pilot group. Now, let’s all do one thing together. Since this is clearly become a very important topic. We need to draft a letter to the NC and MEC representing all the pilots. Sort of like a petition. Demanding we see the scope section now. Legally they have no reason not to let us read the language. If it sucks…. I am certain it does. It will only fuel the fire to get this fixed.

UnusualAttitude 04-14-2023 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by 0617Ld (Post 3624023)
Glad everyone has come down from their covid high. And opened their eyes to how terrible our scope is and how the company will leverage it every day to make you fear for your jobs and further divide this pilot group. Now, let’s all do one thing together. Since this is clearly become a very important topic. We need to draft a letter to the NC and MEC representing all the pilots. Sort of like a petition. Demanding we see the scope section now. Legally they have no reason not to let us read the language. If it sucks…. I am certain it does. It will only fuel the fire to get this fixed.

Our MEC and NC have one goal, retirement gains at all costs, even your job. This group is divided because of ALPA’s failed “targeted approach.” It’s past time for Scope to be taken seriously. I have personally provided data, contract language from other properties, etc. The response from my reps, “there are negative implications to reopening already TA’d sections.” Well, there are negative implications to being unemployed.

0617Ld 04-14-2023 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude (Post 3624026)
Our MEC and NC have one goal, retirement gains at all costs, even your job. This group is divided because of ALPA’s failed “targeted approach.” It’s past time for Scope to be taken seriously. I have personally provided data, contract language from other properties, etc. The response from my reps, “there are negative implications to reopening already TA’d sections.” Well, there are negative implications to being unemployed.

Thank you and glad did. If the response is not what you desire. We push harder until it is.

WearyEyed 04-14-2023 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by 0617Ld (Post 3624023)
Glad everyone has come down from their covid high. And opened their eyes to how terrible our scope is and how the company will leverage it every day to make you fear for your jobs and further divide this pilot group. Now, let’s all do one thing together. Since this is clearly become a very important topic. We need to draft a letter to the NC and MEC representing all the pilots. Sort of like a petition. Demanding we see the scope section now. Legally they have no reason not to let us read the language. If it sucks…. I am certain it does. It will only fuel the fire to get this fixed.

Please attend the joint council meeting on Tuesday April 18 and make that motion at the appropriate time during your local council meeting. The details of the meeting should be in your email. Get others to make the same motion in their respective councils. If a majority of council members in each local council agree that scope is important enough to be shown or re-opened, then the MEC and NC will be more likely to act. Otherwise they’ll only focus on getting over the finish line and sending us the TA. I can guarantee the multi year plans take into account what we agreed to in negotiations. We haven’t seen it but it’s a near certainty that the executives, attorneys, and planners know what it says and what they can get away with. We need to close the gaps NOW!

MrSuupafly 04-15-2023 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by DaRaiders (Post 3623979)
Cool. So we can expect another check for all the flying ASL is taking from us soon? Sweet!

Nah, we're not getting a check for that.

CloudSailor 04-16-2023 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3623958)
If we are legally allowed to fly the route, only pilots on the FedEx seniority list can operate those aircraft, period. It’s that simple.

Yes. For our Industry Leading CBA to mean anything at all Scope has to be tightened. This time around. A strike vote is the beginning of leverage in the right direction.

PurpleToolBox 04-16-2023 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude (Post 3624026)
Our MEC and NC have one goal, retirement gains at all costs, even your job. This group is divided because of ALPA’s failed “targeted approach.” It’s past time for Scope to be taken seriously. I have personally provided data, contract language from other properties, etc. The response from my reps, “there are negative implications to reopening already TA’d sections.” Well, there are negative implications to being unemployed.

Respectfully, we are at the NMB. We can not change our wants at this time. Doing so greatly jeopardizes our TA going forward.

If you want more scope provisions, you'll need to vote down any TA and then lobby for change to get it into debate with the company.


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