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Originally Posted by oncewasgood
(Post 3626165)
Once again asked and answered at today’s meeting.
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
(Post 3626144)
He said teamsters, not ipa, So it’s safe to assume he meant outsourcing of their drivers like we do. As for wet leasing, just because IPA allows it, doesn’t mean it’s a good thing or that we should do the same.
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Originally Posted by Precontact
(Post 3626215)
We UPS pilots would love to know what they said about wet leasing and belly freight. We have some very limited provisions in our scope clause but it is policed and we have been awarded damages from prior violations.
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Originally Posted by DaRaiders
(Post 3626217)
While you’re on here: is your international flying protected? Ours is pretty much not unless it touches the Lower 48.
”Notwithstanding any other provision of the Agreement, the Company may continue to interline, co-load, code-share, part charter and en- ter into block space agreements with other carriers to move freight and service in International (outside the contiguous 48 states) markets as required. Within the Domestic system (the contiguous 48 United States) the use of the above shall be done only: (1) when necessary to expedite or (2) when economically necessary, unless otherwise agreed to by the parties.” |
Originally Posted by FXLAX
(Post 3626221)
Nothing is protected!
”Notwithstanding any other provision of the Agreement, the Company may continue to interline, co-load, code-share, part charter and en- ter into block space agreements with other carriers to move freight and service in International (outside the contiguous 48 states) markets as required. Within the Domestic system (the contiguous 48 United States) the use of the above shall be done only: (1) when necessary to expedite or (2) when economically necessary, unless otherwise agreed to by the parties.” |
Originally Posted by DaRaiders
(Post 3626217)
While you’re on here: is your international flying protected? Ours is pretty much not unless it touches the Lower 48.
YES, Our International flying is protected. |
Originally Posted by 2manybogeys
(Post 3626226)
YES, Our International flying is protected.
We need to strengthen Scope, international and domestic, period. Without doing so the rest of the CBA gains are pointless when we lose our jobs to pilots paid less than us. It’s happening already! Our 757 EUR flying is going away because our pilots are being replaced by ASL pilots. We are already losing flying, TODAY. Should we wait to see what the company’s plans are for Asia flying, and leave Scope for 5-7 years from now? Fck no!!! (Obviously, I’d love for the TA’d section 1 to address all of this, but I bet it’s not). |
Originally Posted by CloudSailor
(Post 3626256)
Yo, oncewasNoWork, what do you say to that?
We need to strengthen Scope, international and domestic, period. Without doing so the rest of the CBA gains are pointless when we lose our jobs to pilots paid less than us. It’s happening already! Our 757 EUR flying is going away because our pilots are being replaced by ASL pilots. We are already losing flying, TODAY. Should we wait to see what the company’s plans are for Asia flying, and leave Scope for 5-7 years from now? Fck no!!! (Obviously, I’d love for the TA’d section 1 to address all of this, but I bet it’s not). OncewasNowork! 😆. That’s funny! (Spot on also; he has to be, in an even more inane and aggressive incarnation) |
Originally Posted by oncewasgood
(Post 3626120)
I agree with most everything except the UPS statement. They do just as much wet leasing and belly freight as we do if not more. This was discussed at the meeting today. We are all entitled to our own opinions but not our own facts. Making up unsubstantiated statements isn’t helpful except to add confusion and discord. That is not what we need at this point.
Now if you are talking about freight, we sold that division in the last 18 months. I believe it is still UPS branded for a bit longer. Also some, not all of our non air packages get placed in UPS travel trailers/containers and moved by rail, depending on distance and economics. If your group is being told this, it is outright incorrect. |
Originally Posted by oncewasgood
(Post 3626125)
After hearing the NC and members of the MEC speak today you are flat out wrong and are lying. Im guessing you did not attend? Do you have any integrity? Cowards spew BS and false information on forums. People with integrity show up and actually listen and get involved. I see what side of the spectrum you are on.
I will make my mind up when I see the TA….which at this rate will be in two more years. No concessions, fix the scope and leading industry pay rates. |
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