Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 3630241)

PM and NC are trying to save jobs while keeping this job the best in the industry. There are other ways of addressing scope without opening up a TAd sections which would rip apart negotiations, which would no doubt take 2+ more years to get to where we are today. If you want to further delay getting scope fixed, go ahead and keep dividing this crew force. Delaying the TA by reopening sections, is going to be the slowest way to fixing scope. Do not doubt me on this.

Originally Posted by schloppy1 (Post 3630223)

If you think your voice here has no power, PM just gave a 29 minute dissertation addressing us. I feel my voice here has more power than all the darts and email’s I’ve sent. I know there is no way we are going to reopen section 1 prior to a TA. PM said we made advancements in section 1. I will read and make a determination. I appreciate the work the negotiation team has done and I have no personal issues with any of them. This is just business. As such, we the folks hired after 2015 do not appreciate the condescending tone that was sent our way in PM’s speech. Many of us have dealt with the loss of a job to the regionals. Us younger folks took jobs at regionals hoping to make it to the big show. We bought our own uniforms and paid for our Jeppesen subscriptions. All for 19.05/hr. I know the older generation wants their pie. Thus, this is not an issue and they would like us young bucks to shut up and row. We can’t do that. FedEx has publicly announced their intent to offset declining volume by pushing freight onto other birds. If we allow that, not only our jobs, but your pension is at risk. We’re an Express shipping company. If we lose control of our brand by outsourcing, We’ll be out of business. And on that front, PM couldn’t be more wrong about scope.

Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 3630369)

It’s not unconscionable that guys are retiring with the current pension and multi million dollar 401k.

if it’s so bad now why wasn’t it so bad in 2015?

let’s get this right

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3630243)

Hear hear. I’m glad I’m not the only one that was ****ed off….The reality is, we’re not going to see a TA until the company needs one and at that point if we do reject a TA we will see a second offer rather quickly. The amount of people who are quitting or preparing to quit is high, and a mediocre TA with delta rates and a retirement fix isn’t going to be enough to stop them. They want QOL, they want scheduling to stop offering their trips to jumpseaters for 150% while they get rerouted to do OT trips that nobody wants to do and all they get is straight pay, they want shorter limits on how long they can be extended into time off, they want…

Originally Posted by FDX1 (Post 3630376)

Please tell me you are joking? What exactly do you base you “opinion” on? Is it because you have negotiated with FDX recently? Is it your experience from an elected position? I guess it’s easy to make these types of proclamations when you aren’t the one delivering on your expectations. Must be nice to sit in your castle and espouse certainty of outcome with zero experience or anything of substance.

You are certainly entitled to share your opinions, you just can’t back up your claims with any logic. I’ll take the information from those that have first hand experience and judgment on this issue.

Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 3630382)

We get it. Your NC speaks for you.

Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 3630373)

Hearing that was a major slap in the face to anyone with 20+ years to go. PM just created two pilot groups with his words.