If that’s what you got from the video then you’re only hearing what you want to hear anyways. No use in trying to have a discussion.

Like my professor always said, “if you don’t want to learn anything, read the cliff notes, but if you want to learn, read the book”.

Your summary is inaccurate and filtered very poorly.

You guys are the reason why the 2015 contract passed by 58%, too many people who simply cannot see reality. History is apparently going to repeat itself. Unbelievable.

The way this is going, Fedex pilots might get the money, the retirement improvements, at the expense of very little job protections, zero to none aircraft movement, deteriorating work rules and schedules, etc. I hope Fedex pilots have the fortitude to see this which is crystal clear.

This is exactly what's going to happen. Going to be a lot of stagnation here.

If you think your voice here has no power, PM just gave a 29 minute dissertation addressing us. I feel my voice here has more power than all the darts and email’s I’ve sent. I know there is no way we are going to reopen section 1 prior to a TA. PM said we made advancements in section 1. I will read and make a determination. I appreciate the work the negotiation team has done and I have no personal issues with any of them. This is just business. As such, we the folks hired after 2015 do not appreciate the condescending tone that was sent our way in PM’s speech. Many of us have dealt with the loss of a job to the regionals. Us younger folks took jobs at regionals hoping to make it to the big show. We bought our own uniforms and paid for our Jeppesen subscriptions. All for 19.05/hr. I know the older generation wants their pie. Thus, this is not an issue and they would like us young bucks to shut up and row. We can’t do that. FedEx has publicly announced their intent to offset declining volume by pushing freight onto other birds. If we allow that, not only our jobs, but your pension is at risk. We’re an Express shipping company. If we lose control of our brand by outsourcing, We’ll be out of business. And on that front, PM couldn’t be more wrong about scope.

You really need to watch the video again and LISTEN because your assessment is wrong.

This is nothing like 2015. And if you were here you'd know it. We got and were sold a crappy contract because of the lack of unity. The lack of unity among the MEC and NC and our body of pilots.

Really, his speech was condescending to you? He literally addressed your concerns and how the NC/MEC is trying to mitigate them. Cry me a river over your sacrifices. We've ALL made sacrifices to get to FedEx.

PM and NC are trying to save jobs while keeping this job the best in the industry. There are other ways of addressing scope without opening up a TAd sections which would rip apart negotiations, which would no doubt take 2+ more years to get to where we are today. If you want to further delay getting scope fixed, go ahead and keep dividing this crew force. Delaying the TA by reopening sections, is going to be the slowest way to fixing scope. Do not doubt me on this.

Hear hear. I’m glad I’m not the only one that was ****ed off about the tone in which the need for job security for post 2015 hires was disregarded.

Looking forward to reading a TA, and probably voting no. Will be happy to change my mind and vote yes if it’s excellent and what we deserve, but I know it’s not likely because our ask in too many areas was either too low or completely nonexistent.

Pat said “don’t expect to vote no on a TA and see another one in short order” which couldn’t be further from the truth of what’s going to happen. The reality is, we’re not going to see a TA until the company needs one and at that point if we do reject a TA we will see a second offer rather quickly. The amount of people who are quitting or preparing to quit is high, and a mediocre TA with delta rates and a retirement fix isn’t going to be enough to stop them. They want QOL, they want scheduling to stop offering their trips to jumpseaters for 150% while they get rerouted to do OT trips that nobody wants to do and all they get is straight pay, they want shorter limits on how long they can be extended into time off, they want to get paid handsomely for revisions and losses of a BEDH, not just a few meager hours of add pay, they want hotels and GT for all training events, even in domicile, they want to have an expense report closed out without the company taking thousands out of their paycheck when they have tens of thousands of DBA money, they want the company to stop taking money out of their paychecks for scheduled layover hotels, they want to stay at better hotels than “insert dump next to mall here” etc etc etc

Is this guy, PM, for real? He certainly does NOT speak for me.

“So I know there may be pilots in this room that absolutely are fearful about their job, their job security, and they want scope reopened and fixed. And they say ‘damn the rest of you, it can can wait.’ That’s unconscionable, because there are pilots going out the door every day under the old system. And we have to, as fiduciaries and leaders of this union be responsible to those pilots who are literally heading out the door with the old pension.”

So they have to be responsible to pilots who are retiring with the old pension (who've made bank the last 2-3 years), but not pilots that are fearful about their job security. Got it Pat. No vote secured.

What are you specifically going to fix about scope? And how? What will you give up for it? You think the company is going to agree to let us tie their hands completely, which could potentially cause bankruptcy in a major downturn?

Always staggering how differently each person hears the same broadcast. My NC speaks for me. I saw an exhausted and determined PM who has been getting pummeled on my behalf for the last couple years. His points seemed logical based upon what I know so far. I don't plan on being dazzled by any particular TA section to the detriment of another section. I need to see the entire document to evaluate the impact upon my family and my career going forward.

General statement: I understand there is no silver bullet regarding international scope. Period. No matter who disappointed I am with that statement, I don't see how blowing up a TA will fix this universal truth. Simultaneously, I'm not fearful that I must vote yes on this TA. I haven't read the document yet, so I honestly don't know what's in there. Both positions can coexist.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and subsequent vote obviously. I don't think other pilots who disagree with me are stupid. We are all coming from different paths and perspectives. But don't expect me to grab a pitchfork because of posts in all caps, with multiple exclamation marks, with logic that works in absolutes. Life doesn't work in absolutes from what I've observed. In the end, we may agree to disagree, and that's ok.

I didn't realize I was part of an identified minority oppressed group, the hapless post-2015 hires. As always, I can only speak for myself. Any sweeping statement that attempts to include "all post-2015 hires" as a singular group can be wholly disregarded.