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magic rat 05-01-2023 09:23 PM

We are frogs in the pot, “Is it getting warm in here or is it me?”

Coffeepilot1 05-01-2023 11:52 PM


Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox (Post 3631455)
Both can be true. Management has made some significant mistakes lately. Why do you think there's a big push to get our yields close to UPS and DHL's and merge all three companies?

FedEx just announced 29 Freight locations closing today. This is just the beginning. It is going to be a long 4-5 years for those at the bottom.

Maybe or a new start somewhere else. Management for sure aren’t going to share any good news during negotiations. UPS outlook during their earnings showed volume growth 2nd half of the year, one would assume at FDX too.

threeighteen 05-02-2023 01:58 AM


Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1 (Post 3631555)
Maybe or a new start somewhere else. Management for sure aren’t going to share any good news during negotiations. UPS outlook during their earnings showed volume growth 2nd half of the year, one would assume at FDX too.

second half of the year is historically busier, the question is, are they just using an old forecast model or do they really expect a little bit of a rebound?

HvypurplePylot 05-02-2023 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by coryk (Post 3631351)
Only down 2 lines because they are able to build into the 60’s with 5-10hrs buy up. Nearly twice the amount of secondary and reserve lines.

Have you seen the other bases? Everyone is down.
How many total 737s was ASL flying out of LGG and CDG compared to now all out of CDG? From what I've heard it just looks worse now because they are all on the CDG ramp now.

Coffeepilot1 05-02-2023 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3631559)
second half of the year is historically busier, the question is, are they just using an old forecast model or do they really expect a little bit of a rebound?

Good point the way I read it was volume returning outside seasonality, but lot of assumptions based on economy etc. looked like April was the worst month for
vol drop and has since stabilized.

Merle Haggard 05-02-2023 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3630909)
We should absolutely be furloughing those of us on the bottom part of the list. 4.a.2.c benefits the company. Allows them to pay almost all of us less and gives them flexibility.

Nobody asked for 4.a.2.b to be kept, or improved. It benefits the company, not us.

Keeping you employed through subsidy from the rest of the list benefits the company, not you?

Twisted logic.

Shaman 05-02-2023 06:03 AM

I've said this repeatedly. This is a tactic. All the negative messaging is carefully crafted and disseminated (and repeated by the Negotiating committee chair SMH) with purpose. The American consumer is strong the mild recession that the Fed manufactured is already taking place. Volumes are down because they were at record levels. STOP Panicking the house isn't suddenly on fire. There are obvious efficiency improvements that should have been done ages ago but Fedex isn't suddenly on the verge of bankruptcy despite the messaging from the company AND the Negotiating Chairman.

The numbers for the economy this summer will be strong.

Stay focused and vote No! Do not believe PM when he eludes to whatever deal he gets will be the only deal WE will get.

magic rat 05-02-2023 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot (Post 3631561)
Have you seen the other bases? Everyone is down.
How many total 737s was ASL flying out of LGG and CDG compared to now all out of CDG? From what I've heard it just looks worse now because they are all on the CDG ramp now.

Rolled through CDG a couple days ago, daytime, I could count about 27-30 737s all sitting on our ramp.

CloudSailor 05-02-2023 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by magic rat (Post 3631664)
Rolled through CDG a couple days ago, daytime, I could count about 27-30 737s all sitting on our ramp.

Isn't ASL's order from Boeing about 20 months for them to get another 20 73's? Just about the time that all of our 757 'support' could evaporate.

I would like to hear our own NC debate UPS's NC on the merits of fighting for international scope language now, not in 6-8 years.

NotMrNiceGuy 05-02-2023 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Shaman (Post 3631608)

The numbers for the economy this summer will be strong.

I always appreciate your rationality and logic. And generally, I agree with 90% of what you say. But I think there are still some pretty significant headwinds from a macroeconomic perspective. Just four months into the year, we’ve lost three banks with total assets of more than half a trillion($). Inflation is nearly three times greater than 2018-19 and has been for some 20 months. And the FED is still planning on another hike this next quarter.

I’m not trying to give quarter to the company, but I don’t think this environment is as short lived as you convey. Your optimism is refreshing. Hope I’m wrong.


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