Another fictional (fake news) post from a pilot who is upset they made the wrong choice. You can still go back to your crappy little airline because the grass is greener. Good luck and good riddance.

Not sure you you know him…or anyone on the committee personally. He’s not even close to retirement, neither is RB who is also on the Committee. Both of those guys have more than 10 years left.

By the way, did you miss the part that he said they don’t have the authority to open Scope? It’s the MEC who decides those things, not you, not the Committee, not the scope chairman, not the Officers. It’s the MEC.

But hey - it’s all about you. We get it.

As quoted from the NC video:

“So I know there may be pilots in this room that absolutely are fearful about their job, their job security, and they want scope reopened and fixed. And they say ‘damn the rest of you, it can can wait.’ That’s unconscionable, because there are pilots going out the door every day under the old system. And we have to, as fiduciaries and leaders of this union be responsible to those pilots who are literally heading out the door with the old pension.”

-PM

Pretty divisive no matter what angle you look at it from. And, no it's not being taking out of context, this statement stands for itself.

I respect the work the NC has and continues to do, but to attack someone with a comment like "go back to your crappy little airline where the grass is greener" just because they are just as concerned about stagnation or losing their job as much as others (assuming you) are about their retirement is hypocritical.

I’m still surprised more people aren’t talking about this statement from PM during that video. Out of every thing he talked about for 29 minutes it was that portion that as someone with 20+ years here absolutely scares me. I understand those at the end need improvements to retirement but in no way should that come at a cost or sacrifice of our future QOL or job security.

It definitely allowed us to see which part of the group he is spending all of our negotiating capital on. I don’t buy the stuff about reopening scope telling the mediators we’re not serious about getting this done. It’s been two damned years, things have very obviously changed while the other side has been dragging their feet.

Well, you left out what was said before your quote which actually would put more context on the discussion. He was talking about the risks of re-opening an already TA'd section of the contract. So, I see it as him saying that those who are stating that they won't even consider the risks and are bent on voting "NO" no matter what is brought to them unless Section 1 is re-opened are saying "screw everyone else unless I get what I want." IMO, he is saying that attitude is unconscionable.

Nowhere did he or anyone else on the NC or MEC say "go back to your crappy little airline."

Freight is down. We are seeing it, UPS is seeing it, and so are other cargo carriers. This has happened before and will happen again. If you came here thinking there was a promise of rapid career progression, sorry for your disappointment. Junior guys leaving because they want to and senior guys staying to see an improvement in the retirement isn't going to fix that problem for you. Business will turn around. It may take a little time. Until then, take a deep breath and let's wait and see what kind of TA we are presented with.

Which set of numbers do you want? Numbers BEFORE or AFTER the ramp space we built for them? It was maybe 3-4? Now close to 30. Far outnumbering our 75s….

And what exactly is my agenda, o wise, all knowing, and unquestionable sage of purple APC matters?? That job protection and retirement should both be priorities in these negotiations? Anyone can watch the video and make up their own mind about the context, OWG... But please, go ahead and explain to everyone (from your always so unbiased and consistently rational point of view) what context specifically was left out that should make those words ring any different to us "disgusting", anti-unity, selfish one issue (in your all-knowing opinion) voters? Please use examples and try not to CAPS-Yell...

Both you and Pin make arguments based on emotion...I said it before, I respect the work of the NC. That doesn't mean I, or anyone else, has to agree with their stance on every subject OR with each other. Unity does not mean blind devotion.

Glad to see you can keep emotion out of your posts.:rolleyes:

I gave you my perspective on how I heard his message both attending the meeting and watching the video. You don't have to agree, but that doesn't make you right either.

Where did I say it was the NC or MEC that made the "go back" comment or blaming the lack of movement on section 28 or the economy? Maybe re-read tthe comment I was replying to and what was actually said? After all, you want fair context.

No one here that I have seen is arguing about the cyclical nature of the business or its fairness, my comment about job loses or stagnation has to do with the outsourcing push that our managers have mentioned numerous times and who seem so eager to enact it. What good is business returning if it's funneled to the cargo holds of ACMI's or passenger jets?

I might not have sat sideways on the mythical 727 panel for X amount of years, but I have been around this business for the better part of 2 decades. I know better than to expect constant expansion and growth, but the one thing I think most of us chose purple for was the stability which is now being threatened by the DRIVE initiative.