Seems like your track record of predicting the future is 0%. I personally will support our NC, wait and read the TA, and vote accordingly based on its merits.

For those who may have missed it; PM summarily said: I can’t believe you unconscionable pilots hired after 2015 only care about protecting your jobs when we have guys who are more than ready to retire with a new and improved retirement plan. Sure, they’re going to retire in the next 3 years anyway but isn’t it more important that they retire NOW much richer than they are today than it is to worry about scope? Besides, the company needs to be able to compete. If that means they contract out more flying to undercut UPS and DHL then isn’t that for everyone’s benefit? Stop being so selfish.

You just quoted a bunch of my posts on different topics and none of them are particularly relevant to the topic at hand, except for the one about survey questions, which were pretty good, but I honestly had no idea scope was so much of an issue until I landed in Paris and saw a bunch of purple tail 737s flying routes our 757s used to fly. I am no longer content with that survey. They haven't posted the feedback yet and I honestly don't even remember scope being an option on there, maybe it was? I don't know.

You do know pension improvements benefit everyone? The pension hasn't been fixed since inception. Now if the pension is improved, the precedent is set to continually raise it for every pilot on the property. If you are so unhappy here, get the app out. You are missing on hundreds of seniority numbers at the majors.

Yeah, that’s what he does. Takes past quotes without any context to try and make you look contradictory.

Congratulations PS, you can look up past comments. But he’s also the one that needs comments spelled out precisely or he’s lost. I quit trying a while ago. You might consider disengaging as well. It’s like arguing with that nowork clown.

The pilots did try to improve the pension on every contract and the MEC and NC sold them out. And you do know contributing to a 401K is optional and maybe not every pilot has a FAT 401k. You have the same earning and saving potential as every pilot here. Some day you'll be in a position to retire and the things that mean the most to you will undoubtably be different then than now. And there are many pilots who didn't work extra during the past two years. With your all about me attitude I can see you'd be willing to sell out the junior guys when you retire. And then, you'll have junior guys ****ed at you and your FAT 401K.

Nope. I'm willing to hold the line for a TA that gives retro retirement to anyone who's retired since amendable date, and I'm willing to hold the line for scope. And I'm voting no if the TA doesn't do both of those things (and also voting no for a host of other reasons).

However I'm extremely annoyed that the NC refused to negotiate retro-retirement and compensation like that and now they've divided us into those retiring soon vs everyone else, which compromises our deal.

I just simply don't feel too bad for any captain retiring right now under the current terms. If your financial house isn't in order to retire with the current pension after the opportunities of the last 3 years and your 401k isn't fat, a pension bump isn't going to save you. You have budgeting problems, and you had the opportunity to organize an effort to fix the pension in the previous CBAs.

Once an employee retires, i do not believe that the retirement is legally allowed to be altered. So as much as we may like retro retirement, I do not believe that’s an achievable goal.

Why does everyone think that those retiring soon have been here 30 years and have fat 401s and max retirement ? There are several guys here who have not reached the max for the high five and will be retiring with WAY less then the cap of 25 years..

Source?

If true, then give them a lump sum.

If you don't take care of them, if you don't demand full retro pay, you are setting yourselves up for future contracts to be dragged out for 2 years over and over and over.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.

My union, who promised to leave no one behind, will do exactly that if they don't take care of all that have retired since the amendable date.

Shame on the MEC.