..and the NC continues to play word games
07-12-2023, 10:02 AM
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..and the NC continues to play word games
The PowerPoint slide titled “700-800 pilots overstaffed” shown at the roadshow explicitly said “Staffing is corrected by furlough”. Now, since that got picked up by various social media outlets, they have cleverly tried to explain the slide in their latest email but have changed the slide to something completely different. The email version says “staffing may be corrected by attrition, furlough, mandatory retirement (regulated age)”. I’ll be asking why they changed their information during the virtual Q&A coming up.
07-12-2023, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Temocil27
The PowerPoint slide titled “700-800 pilots overstaffed” shown at the roadshow explicitly said “Staffing is corrected by furlough”. Now, since that got picked up by various social media outlets, they have cleverly tried to explain the slide in their latest email but have changed the slide to something completely different. The email version says “staffing may be corrected by attrition, furlough, mandatory retirement (regulated age)”. I’ll be asking why they changed their information during the virtual Q&A coming up.
“The ballot will remain open until July 24th, and you may change your vote until the window closes at 10:00 a.m. ET.”
In my opinion, they don’t have the votes based upon the percentage of people who voted on the first day or two. They are now going to do whatever it takes, while treading dangerously close to another lawsuit.
07-12-2023, 01:07 PM
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No one is going to go early because the retirement bumped up a measly $32K. Our pilots have shown their greed in the past two years, you think anyone is going to give up on the new pay rates and leave? 50K DOS Pay raise 15yr WB captain and almost 100K at the end of the contract. The stepped retirement maxing out at the end of the contract, it may not be much but its for life, so guys will staying to the end of the contract. Health care costs are expensive if you have to pay for them yourself. For the union to think guys are leaving early is misguided.
07-12-2023, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
No one is going to go early because the retirement bumped up a measly $32K. Our pilots have shown their greed in the past two years, you think anyone is going to give up on the new pay rates and leave? 50K DOS Pay raise 15yr WB captain and almost 100K at the end of the contract. The stepped retirement maxing out at the end of the contract, it may not be much but it's for life, so guys will staying to the end of the contract. Health care costs are expensive if you have to pay for them yourself. For the union to think guys are leaving early is misguided.
07-12-2023, 01:28 PM
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Why in the world did they take this TA? Maybe because our chairman is rapidly approaching retirement and he caved. No thanks it’s a terrible TA I feel more comfortable under our current contract with no scope concessions.
07-12-2023, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
No one is going to go early because the retirement bumped up a measly $32K. Our pilots have shown their greed in the past two years, you think anyone is going to give up on the new pay rates and leave? 50K DOS Pay raise 15yr WB captain and almost 100K at the end of the contract. The stepped retirement maxing out at the end of the contract, it may not be much but its for life, so guys will staying to the end of the contract. Health care costs are expensive if you have to pay for them yourself. For the union to think guys are leaving early is misguided.
07-12-2023, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
No one is going to go early because the retirement bumped up a measly $32K. Our pilots have shown their greed in the past two years, you think anyone is going to give up on the new pay rates and leave? 50K DOS Pay raise 15yr WB captain and almost 100K at the end of the contract. The stepped retirement maxing out at the end of the contract, it may not be much but its for life, so guys will staying to the end of the contract. Health care costs are expensive if you have to pay for them yourself. For the union to think guys are leaving early is misguided.
07-12-2023, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
No one is going to go early because the retirement bumped up a measly $32K. Our pilots have shown their greed in the past two years, you think anyone is going to give up on the new pay rates and leave? 50K DOS Pay raise 15yr WB captain and almost 100K at the end of the contract. The stepped retirement maxing out at the end of the contract, it may not be much but its for life, so guys will staying to the end of the contract. Health care costs are expensive if you have to pay for them yourself. For the union to think guys are leaving early is misguided.
07-12-2023, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Stan446
No one is going to go early because the retirement bumped up a measly $32K. Our pilots have shown their greed in the past two years, you think anyone is going to give up on the new pay rates and leave? 50K DOS Pay raise 15yr WB captain and almost 100K at the end of the contract. The stepped retirement maxing out at the end of the contract, it may not be much but its for life, so guys will staying to the end of the contract. Health care costs are expensive if you have to pay for them yourself. For the union to think guys are leaving early is misguided.
