Originally Posted by Coffeepilot1 (Post 3667583)

AA is going back to negotiate again after UAL releasing AIP. Here’s our opportunity folks.

Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3667505)

tify it, no way to spin it as the right thing to do, and no way you can have credibility if you spent our leverage to line your pockets. Sorry, not sorry. Oh, and it's conscience, but "conscious" is actually fitting, albeit inadvertently so.

Originally Posted by Emmerson Bigs (Post 3666492)

UFB.
It's about unity. Your union screwed you, huh? :rolleyes: There are only two sides available. You can't switch back and forth when it suits you without consequences.
It's about solving a CRS problem short notice and making the operation feel nothing but your support.
It's about someone else listening to your BS on the flight deck and deciding to do the same thing.
It's about someone who can't clear their schedule as easily deciding to take the call from CRS when they see what you're doing.
It's about the simple fact that we were all supposed to be on the same side, pulling in the same direction willing to make the same sacrifices.

But we weren't. We had some (like you) who thought they were smarter. "Flying smarter" my @ss. Yeah :rolleyes: you really stuck it to the company by "making" them pay you 150%. If you think they gave 2 sh!ts about that you're delusion. Price of doing business.
If that helps you sleep at night, great. You're not alone. Now all of you have the gall to complain about this TA? You deserve it. I can complain about the TA. You shouldn't. Thanks by the way.

And of course they wanted to change that in the TA, why not if they could get us to say "yes"? It's a fix to a pandemic corner case that, absent another pandemic, will likely never happen again.

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3667675)

This^^^^^

Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3667675)

This^^^^^

Yeah, vote down the TA and fight for what we are worth. Hollow words. Kind of like saying you'll give 110%. What that really means is that you weren't giving it your best to begin with, so now you will try a little harder. We didn't show any fight between openers and the amendable date. We didn't show any fight after the amendable date, But now, we really mean it and we are going to fight. Just words, no plan. Maybe they will sacrifice and give a little more of themselves instead of thinking only of themselves this time, but most likely not.

Originally Posted by mdeshazo (Post 3667694)

You mean, the MEC didn't show any fight. Perhaps that is why they were negotiating in secret and keeping us in the dark. It is an easy fix. New MEC with clear direction to keep us apprised every step of the way. If you think you can't get a better deal, you are right. If you think you can, you are right. You get to decide if you are a loser or a winner. The idea we have to accept any POS we are given is retarded.

Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3667704)

Are you saying the MEC should ask the membership during negotiations when a section is TA'd, does the membership approve, section by section?
What negotiations were done in secret or the dark?

Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3667704)

Are you saying the MEC should ask the membership during negotiations when a section is TA'd, does the membership approve, section by section?
What negotiations were done in secret or the dark?

Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3667704)

Are you saying the MEC should ask the membership during negotiations when a section is TA'd, does the membership approve, section by section?
What negotiations were done in secret or the dark?

Originally Posted by mdeshazo (Post 3668079)

You have to be shi**ing me. Yes, the NC should get our input along the way, and, ALL of them were done in secret. Had they not been, we wouldn't be here now. You are being disingenuous if you claim not to remember how TA sections used to be put out to the crew force with maximum transparency. Stop being a shill for the NC, it is unbecoming. You beclown yourself.