Why I changed my vote...
07-23-2023, 09:18 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by Jma313
your desire to have cheap cash and take Pennies on the dollar is exactly the problem with this pilot group. You do you man but if this TA passes I’m sure you’ll never admit to it in person.
Originally Posted by bitwiser
You know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel when you list "sunrise sort definitions" as a gain. The guys trying to sell us thus TA can't even produce a meaningful argument.!
07-23-2023, 09:39 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
This must surely be the respectful, constructive dialogue you refer to Yuko…I wouldn’t count on Anthrax’s comments to be sited for the success of a coalition building exercise.
Let me give you an assignment, there are 41 posts in this thread right now. I would like you to add up all the negative posts that attempt to discredit the OP then tell me what percentage is not civil. I hope you take a look. Can you tell me what percentage is not civil? Or will you ignore my outreach for civil discord?
I think you are looking for a fight, we are not your opponent. I do not consider you on some dark side by voting not NO. We are going to need you after this is voted down.
as usual
what time is it! NO is the time!
07-23-2023, 09:54 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by Yuko
this is a great example of how you pick out a few examples in a sea of ones that are positive and civil
Let me give you an assignment, there are 41 posts in this thread right now. I would like you to add up all the negative posts that attempt to discredit the OP then tell me what percentage is not civil. I hope you take a look. Can you tell me what percentage is not civil? Or will you ignore my outreach for civil discord?
I think you are looking for a fight, we are not your opponent. I do not consider you on some dark side by voting not NO. We are going to need you after this is voted down.
as usual
what time is it! NO is the time!
Let me give you an assignment, there are 41 posts in this thread right now. I would like you to add up all the negative posts that attempt to discredit the OP then tell me what percentage is not civil. I hope you take a look. Can you tell me what percentage is not civil? Or will you ignore my outreach for civil discord?
I think you are looking for a fight, we are not your opponent. I do not consider you on some dark side by voting not NO. We are going to need you after this is voted down.
as usual
what time is it! NO is the time!
07-23-2023, 09:54 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by BeanBurrito
Any loss of scope or any scope protection is a losing race
Wondering how many of the negotiators already have a military pension.
Why does it matter? You think the NC is selling out?
The absolute most important thing is Scope…. Over anything else.
Not according to the pilot group polling, retirement was number one.
ACMI Carriers are Salivating for you to whittle down your Scope Clause..
Wondering how many of the negotiators already have a military pension.
Why does it matter? You think the NC is selling out?
The absolute most important thing is Scope…. Over anything else.
Not according to the pilot group polling, retirement was number one.
ACMI Carriers are Salivating for you to whittle down your Scope Clause..
Honestly other than just typing pointless sentences, you have nothing of substance. You forgot we'll be a laughing stock at other airlines.
07-23-2023, 09:57 PM
#45
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[QUOTE=FreightFlyer91;3671479] If, and that's a big if, you believe our total compensation is higher............IT SHOULD BE. We have 85% of our pilots on wide body pay as opposed to the big 3 having maybe 20%. That obviously makes our total average compensation higher as it should be. It should be way way way higher than the big 3.
Way way way higher, based on what, just your opinion or what we can negotiate. I guess greed isn't enough for some.
Way way way higher, based on what, just your opinion or what we can negotiate. I guess greed isn't enough for some.
07-23-2023, 09:58 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Anthrax
so here’s a guy who comes out at the last minute, right before the vote closes, to demonstrate how reasonable it is to capitulate, acknowledging that the TA is a turd, how we all got screwed, and how we’ll only get screwed harder if we vote no!
this clown, a reactionary no voter, came to jesus, and has seen the light, hallelujah! it’s now a simple business decision, the same tired mentality that eats away at our QOL for an inflationary pay hike.
its weak, and sad, and quite shameful. mostly weak.
this clown, a reactionary no voter, came to jesus, and has seen the light, hallelujah! it’s now a simple business decision, the same tired mentality that eats away at our QOL for an inflationary pay hike.
its weak, and sad, and quite shameful. mostly weak.
07-23-2023, 09:58 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by magic rat
Well, if you voted yes, then don’t complain when I collect my wet lease check while you’re furloughed!!!Bahahaha!!!
07-23-2023, 10:03 PM
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[QUOTE=BeanBurrito;3671533]DHL Airways (later known as ASTAR because it went from an American company to a German owned company who could not own more than 49% of and American airline) had Art Luby to negotiate with DHL. …. DHL/ASTAR had the “best scope in the industry “ according to ALPA.
You do know DHL pulled out of the US market because they couldn't compete. The pilot jobs lost had nothing to do with scope and everything with DHL no longer having an airline in the US. Scope wasn't going to save anyone.
You do know DHL pulled out of the US market because they couldn't compete. The pilot jobs lost had nothing to do with scope and everything with DHL no longer having an airline in the US. Scope wasn't going to save anyone.
07-23-2023, 10:11 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
Yuko, I would suggest this individual picks fight…I believe Stan446 gets kicks riling people up. I do not think antagonizing each other is a method conducive to arriving at a thoughtful conclusion
See you on the other side of this, we will need all of us for TA 2.0.
what time is it! NO is the time!
07-23-2023, 11:48 PM
#50
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Herc, debating the cost of wet leasing versus Purple pilots is completely irrelevant at this point. Our management has made it crystal clear to us that they will, IN FACT, be using “parter lift” as part of their plan going forward. Period. Trying to understand their logic is pointless. It’s an inevitability. What you and an abundance of our fellow pilots are agreeing to is a TA that will not protect our jobs. It will not significantly improve our QOL. It will give us a meager pay increase and improvement to our retirement. You continue to write things like “total compensation package” and other MEC/NC keywords, so I’m assuming you went to a road show or saw one virtually and their sales pitch worked. Isn’t the whole point of a union to protect jobs? Instead, ours is OK with the company selling our jobs to other airlines. Would a machinist union be fine just fine with the company hiring outside guys to come in and work at the plant in exchange for a raise that, by the way, doesn’t even match inflation? There’s still time to act reasonably and vote how your gut told you to. Your first instinct is usually right.
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