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schloppy1 07-26-2023 07:39 AM

FedEx, the pilot group, is going through some serious changes. I don’t know what was going on in our MEC, but the attitude was one of, “no other airline could be better than us.” It showed in the condescending tone used in spoken and written communications from them. This is a new FedEx. If you carried the jug for this company, that’s great. Remember those days fondly, but admit the company you loved is gone. Everything but the corporate logo has changed. Well north of half of this pilot group does not trust this union to lead them. It is time for change. The new leadership must be more transparent in its intentions. The new NC can not ever ask us to just trust them. They will march into negotiations with specific asks for retirement, pay, etc. if we say industry leading, we mean industry leading. We will increase the A plan or sunset it. This divide the pilot group plan for retirement wreaks of 1988 American B scale crap. It shows how out of touch the NC was with current pilot supply and demand. We all know the company’s leadership team is dug in for the long fight. So be it, we have the upper hand, if we’re patient enough to wait them out. To answer the OP, we can’t trust this leadership team. There are no easy fixes here. I ask that they stick to their word and step down.

Eric Lopkoff
ANC FO

Nordhavn 07-26-2023 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by NoHaz (Post 3672902)
I know there is alot of "recall them all" talk. But given how close this was, wouldn't it be more effective and timelier to seek a targeted improvement and resubmit? 1. Fix the pay rates to true industry leading. 2. fix the backpay to 100% or close to it. 3. Address the scope concerns and restrict any massive wet lease and furlough concerns. We might not even need the mediator involved if these are just term sheet dollar items and a scope side letter clarification. The alternative of recalling everyone, training new members, re-opening sections etc. seems like it would play into the company's divide and delay tactics.


How will the NC go back to the table when in their thinking this was the very best deal they could get and anything more is just not realistic? Do you think Washington DC will change if we keep sending Lady Graham, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, etc.? At some point smash mouth must be employed. No more patty cake with the lawyers. They have too much baggage with the folks across the table. Just my opinion.

CloudSailor 07-26-2023 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by schloppy1 (Post 3673002)
FedEx, the pilot group, is going through some serious changes. I don’t know what was going on in our MEC, but the attitude was one of, “no other airline could be better than us.” It showed in the condescending tone used in spoken and written communications from them. This is a new FedEx. If you carried the jug for this company, that’s great. Remember those days fondly, but admit the company you loved is gone. Everything but the corporate logo has changed. Well north of half of this pilot group does not trust this union to lead them. It is time for change. The new leadership must be more transparent in its intentions. The new NC can not ever ask us to just trust them. They will march into negotiations with specific asks for retirement, pay, etc. if we say industry leading, we mean industry leading. We will increase the A plan or sunset it. This divide the pilot group plan for retirement wreaks of 1988 American B scale crap. It shows how out of touch the NC was with current pilot supply and demand. We all know the company’s leadership team is dug in for the long fight. So be it, we have the upper hand, if we’re patient enough to wait them out. To answer the OP, we can’t trust this leadership team. There are no easy fixes here. I ask that they stick to their word and step down.

Eric Lopkoff
ANC FO

Very well said.

It's a new day here and PSP is long gone in the rearview mirror. Unfortunate, but it's the reality of the situation.

Glad to know you are stepping up in ANC.

J586 07-26-2023 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by NoHaz (Post 3672902)
I know there is alot of "recall them all" talk. But given how close this was, wouldn't it be more effective and timelier to seek a targeted improvement and resubmit? 1. Fix the pay rates to true industry leading. 2. fix the backpay to 100% or close to it. 3. Address the scope concerns and restrict any massive wet lease and furlough concerns. We might not even need the mediator involved if these are just term sheet dollar items and a scope side letter clarification. The alternative of recalling everyone, training new members, re-opening sections etc. seems like it would play into the company's divide and delay tactics.


I tend to agree. We need a little trim not a D
check.

J586 07-26-2023 06:29 PM

[QUOTE=NoHaz;3672902]I know there is alot of "recall them all" talk. But given how close this was, wouldn't it be more effective and timelier to seek a targeted improvement and resubmit? 1. Fix the pay rates to true industry leading. 2. fix the backpay to 100% or close to it. 3. Address the scope concerns and restrict any massive wet lease and furlough concerns. We might not even need the mediator involved if these are just term sheet dollar items and a scope side letter clarification. The alternative of recalling everyone, training new members, re-opening sections etc. seems like it would play into the company's divide and delay tactics.

I tend to agree.

FDXB757CA 07-26-2023 07:25 PM

It’s possible..
 

Originally Posted by NoHaz (Post 3672902)
I know there is alot of "recall them all" talk. But given how close this was, wouldn't it be more effective and timelier to seek a targeted improvement and resubmit? 1. Fix the pay rates to true industry leading. 2. fix the backpay to 100% or close to it. 3. Address the scope concerns and restrict any massive wet lease and furlough concerns. We might not even need the mediator involved if these are just term sheet dollar items and a scope side letter clarification. The alternative of recalling everyone, training new members, re-opening sections etc. seems like it would play into the company's divide and delay tactics.

I would agree to mending the pay rates and retro payment, along additional language on Scope.. Then re-submit..

dera 07-27-2023 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by Yuko (Post 3672915)
I don’t think it was close. We have about 500 on probation who could not vote. This block seemed to be predominantly No. When you factor that in the vote could have potentially be 60s against to 30s for.
:

You sure about your math there? :)

FreightFlyer91 07-27-2023 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by FDXB757CA (Post 3673406)
I would agree to mending the pay rates and retro payment, along additional language on Scope.. Then re-submit..

You forgot getting rid of the ridiculous, non industry standard, JV quality of life concessions.

Yuko 07-27-2023 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3673462)
You sure about your math there? :)

I am okay with it, but feel free to check it out.

2871 against
2162 for
500 (I n probation and no vote for TA 1.0)
5533 total

2871/5533=51.9%
2162/5533=39.1%
500/5533=9.0%

looks like 60s to me

I did not include the 86 votes that did not register an against or for.

Thanks all for getting the hard part done! Time to get some new blood and energy in the process, preferably with resignations rather than recalls.

Time to March towards a TA that leaves No retiree behind since amenable date and does not feature Union busting pension schemes.

Grease 07-27-2023 04:07 AM

Brown guy here with a question: was there a movement from pilots to sunset the A plan prior to the TA coming out, or was this a total surprise like it was to us outsiders? Where did the idea come from? Thanks!


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