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ClncClarence 08-12-2023 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3681817)
travel bank, reserve priority pick up, non contract hotel receipts, expense report notifications, grievance process - to name a few.

Tell me this is your first airline job without telling me…

You see not having to submit a receipt for a hotel that the company booked for you as a win? They have been STEALING MONEY FROM US for years and you are here saying it’s a plus that we no longer have to keep a record of company-bought hotels for scheduled layovers just to not be payroll deducted 12 months later? Or even better, whenever they decide to close our expense reports? All mine from 2023 are open.

This place is a clown show on its best day.

Nobody else operates this way.

Adlerdriver 08-12-2023 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3681819)
So TC is the hero? The guy that hasn’t paid dies in about 2 years and likely won’t ever pay again? I believe he couldn’t even vote on the TA? Hasn’t been paid by Fedex in how many years? There are others in same category. And he voted against his block? That’s how tied in he was to his constituents ? (Your constituents here have NEVER been your council - it’s always your block). But he you agree with him so damn the ethics - make him King!

Sorry Tuck. I messed up and left off the :rolleyes:. The hero comment was pure sarcasm.

Commuter56 08-13-2023 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by FreightFlyer91 (Post 3681825)
Lol. Those were the big wins in the TA and you wonder why it got shot down? Oh, we don’t need a receipt for the hotel the company schedules for us and requires us to stay at? What a huge gain!

It still wasn't a gain. Instead of us providing a receipt, the company would provide us with a method by which they could obtain the receipt from the hotel directly. Meaning we would still be the intermediary and would be spending our free time trying to get the hotel to send the receipt to the company. If they book the hotel I'm not sure why they can't provide the hotel with the method to send them a receipt. A real gain would take us completely out of the loop.

Tuck 08-13-2023 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3681846)
Tell me this is your first airline job without telling me…

You see not having to submit a receipt for a hotel that the company booked for you as a win? They have been STEALING MONEY FROM US for years and you are here saying it’s a plus that we no longer have to keep a record of company-bought hotels for scheduled layovers just to not be payroll deducted 12 months later? Or even better, whenever they decide to close our expense reports? All mine from 2023 are open.

This place is a clown show on its best day.

Nobody else operates this way.

improvemenrs are wins. This company will always live incrementally. You don’t realize that because you are likely still on probation. But hey all that regional time and your college degree from SW East Kansas makes you qualified.

Tuck 08-13-2023 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3681820)
He's paying his dues by working for free as a block rep and an LEC chair for free when he doesn't have to. To me that's more significant than your dues contribution.

He voted no so that his block would have a chance at getting a ratifiable TA. Should he have voted yes instead so that we'd be replacing 14 reps instead of 13? Doesn't make sense to me. Most of his yes-voting block doesn't even want him recalled. The amount of people that were at the meeting trying to recall Tony was so small, it was almost nonexistent.

No one HAS to be a lock rep. No one. So to be clear you are an advocate of anyone running regardless if they are getting a pay check from Fedex or paying ALPA dues? Should retirees be able to run? What about management non pilots? What’s the difference between them and TC?

what’s the argument for keeping TC in place after he voted si opposite his block? Don’t tell me no one showed up - tell me why YOU thought the block 5 rep should be recalled and TC should not even though they both voted against their block. Constituents have NEVER Been from
Memphis local council - only by block. You don’t realize that either because you don’t understand the system OR because you choose to ignore it since he’s in your tribe.

ClncClarence 08-13-2023 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3681924)
improvemenrs are wins. This company will always live incrementally. You don’t realize that because you are likely still on probation. But hey all that regional time and your college degree from SW East Kansas makes you qualified.

Wow…way to prove my point.

1. Well beyond probation.
2. Never worked for a regional.
3. Two degrees, neither from Kansas.

Do you still refer to yourself by your AF callsign and insist your wife address you as ‘Captain’?

Anthrax 08-13-2023 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3681931)
Wow…way to prove my point.

1. Well beyond probation.
2. Never worked for a regional.
3. Two degrees, neither from Kansas.

Do you still refer to yourself by your AF callsign and insist your wife address you as ‘Captain’?

Not to interfere with this most excellent cat fight, but this reminds me of something funny the wife and I do on role-play night. I don’t know about you guys, but for us it’s every other thursday, only she’s the captain now.

anyone else care to share?

BlueMoon 08-13-2023 07:29 AM


Originally Posted by Anthrax (Post 3681948)
Not to interfere with this most excellent cat fight, but this reminds me of something funny the wife and I do on role-play night. I don’t know about you guys, but for us it’s every other thursday, only she’s the captain now.

anyone else care to share?

You really enjoyed “captain Phillips” a little too much.

ClncClarence 08-13-2023 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Anthrax (Post 3681948)
Not to interfere with this most excellent cat fight, but this reminds me of something funny the wife and I do on role-play night. I don’t know about you guys, but for us it’s every other thursday, only she’s the captain now.

anyone else care to share?

Normally I only come here to argue, but now I kind of want to hear more.

kwri10s 08-13-2023 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3681929)
No one HAS to be a lock rep. No one. So to be clear you are an advocate of anyone running regardless if they are getting a pay check from Fedex or paying ALPA dues? Should retirees be able to run? What about management non pilots? What’s the difference between them and TC?

what’s the argument for keeping TC in place after he voted si opposite his block? Don’t tell me no one showed up - tell me why YOU thought the block 5 rep should be recalled and TC should not even though they both voted against their block. Constituents have NEVER Been from
Memphis local council - only by block. You don’t realize that either because you don’t understand the system OR because you choose to ignore it since he’s in your tribe.

I'll say I completely disagree. Prior to any TA, the block reps should make sure they are in touch with their blocks and represent them in all discussions. The priorities they should prioritize are the priorities for their block. HOWEVER, once a TA is presented. Their job is vote on is the TA is in the best interests of the entire pilot group. It matters not which group they are in or how their group will vote. They are the 14 cross section representation of the crew force. They have one and only one job, is the TA worth recommending to the membership for voting. Period. Not will my block like this. But will the crew force as a whole like this. In that vain, they all (13) failed miserably. Now things had changed in the world post Covid and I think most people understood that. But by never acknowledging the changes both in the industry and what industry standard means, they failed us. They continue to fail us by not resigning. They are costing us 70Mil a month in their own words. I cannot EVER vote for any thing Pat brings to us. Or anything the current reps vote yes on. Except TC. I don't trust them and by hanging on for purely self-serving reasons they only tarnish any good will they might have had for their service. It does not mean anything TC says yes to will get a yes from me. I will continue to do my due diligence on the next offer also. On this TA, Tony's take mirrored my take.


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