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Redeyz 08-15-2023 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3682830)
So the question was to name one positive thing in the TA - I went for the low hanging fruit.

If you’re going to disparage the 1 Rep with enough backbone and vision that was in harmony with over 57% of membership, I’d suggest you need to work your way up the tree, cuz expense reports isn’t a reason to vote for stinky TA.

Merle Haggard 08-15-2023 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3682830)
So the question was to name one positive thing in the TA - I went for the low hanging fruit.

Apparently you needed the word “significant” or “meaningful” to better understand the question.

With your standard, you could’ve gone with “It’s printed on newer paper”.

JackStraw 08-15-2023 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3682830)
So the question was to name one positive thing in the TA - I went for the low hanging fruit.

Buddy you picked that fruit up off the ground.

Try giving examples of meaningful improvements besides pay rates that don’t keep up with inflation.

seefive 08-15-2023 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by Yuko (Post 3672915)
I don’t think it was close. We have about 500 on probation who could not vote. This block seemed to be predominantly No. When you factor that in the vote could have potentially be 60s against to 30s for.

We have seen that we have lots of qualified folks ready to step up. I think it is time for MEC/NC to give the process some new blood and energy.

I would like to see a calm transfer of power in the form of resignations vs recalls. We will see how it shakes out.

They (MEC/NC) tried their best, but it was not good enough.

Lastly, the mediator cannot meet before Labor day. We did the first hard step of NO and we should not rush the process.

NO one left behind since amenable date for A plan and no splitting the group with Union busting pension scheme:

Qualified folks?? It doesn’t matter how many militant people “step up”. FedEx will not roll over to massive demands just because you elect new people. The freight always moves and short of a quick fix, it’s going to be years and massive monetary losses by the pilot group before anything gets done.

StarClipper 08-15-2023 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by seefive (Post 3682921)
Qualified folks?? It doesn’t matter how many militant people “step up”. FedEx will not roll over to massive demands just because you elect new people. The freight always moves and short of a quick fix, it’s going to be years and massive monetary losses by the pilot group before anything gets done.

Blame the MEC and NC for that. They’re the ones who settled and wasn’t willing to continue fighting although we had 99% strike authorization. This TA should not have been sent to the crew force. If they felt like there was nothing else they could do or achieve, they should have said so and stepped aside.

Maddog64 08-15-2023 07:39 AM

Massive losses by the pilot group
 
If all you are worried about is the lost pay for 2 more years, why aren’t you advocating for just taking the company openers almost 3 years ago. You could have had their offer then. There is more to fight for than just pay.

Idaho 08-15-2023 10:52 AM

New blood in the block reps
 
I think it will be good to get some fresh faces elected as block reps. Although it may end up pretty close on voting majority with the old guard who I anticipate will continue to side with the old establishment. A lot of my co workers who didn't like TA 1.0 voted to retain the current leadership, in the interest of expediting a new TA. I do not know what the company is plotting but they could come back and try to push Turd 1.5 over the line while Fedex ALPA is in disarray.

seefive 08-15-2023 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by StarClipper (Post 3682987)
Blame the MEC and NC for that. They’re the ones who settled and wasn’t willing to continue fighting although we had 99% strike authorization. This TA should not have been sent to the crew force. If they felt like there was nothing else they could do or achieve, they should have said so and stepped aside.

It’s naive to think FedEx is going to roll over and give any MEC members from the past present or future anything different. It doesn’t matter who we put in there. And nothing would’ve moved if the current union leadership just said no to everything. The mediator would not have been impressed with a militant, you’re not negotiating at all attitude.

StarClipper 08-15-2023 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by seefive (Post 3683241)
It’s naive to think FedEx is going to roll over and give any MEC members from the past present or future anything different. It doesn’t matter who we put in there. And nothing would’ve moved if the current union leadership just said no to everything. The mediator would not have been impressed with a militant, you’re not negotiating at all attitude.

So you’re throwing the white flag saying that was the best we could do? All the concessions, meager pay raises, insufficient retro pay etc! Well I’d rather walk away.

Anthrax 08-15-2023 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by seefive (Post 3683241)
It’s naive to think FedEx is going to roll over and give any MEC members from the past present or future anything different. It doesn’t matter who we put in there. And nothing would’ve moved if the current union leadership just said no to everything. The mediator would not have been impressed with a militant, you’re not negotiating at all attitude.

so many tears. it’s ok to cry, despite what others tell you. let it out. there there.


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