Thats why it gets fixed this time around. Two Cbas plus this TA. Retirement still not good enough

Obviously your first negotiation junior. There is no "offer" in their openers. Wake up and then grow up.

Hello fellow poster,

No one said rollover, you are injecting something that nobody Is petitioning for. This TA was a weak concessionary proposal that should not have made it past the MEC. One may say it was akin to a stickup for a bump in retirement. Oh yeah, that bump left out 300 retirees (number to grow) and had so many attacks on qol, job security and career progression. We have not even touched pay rates yet. I am glad we voted it down.

I repeat for the folks in the back and the middle passage readers. No one is looking for a “rollover”. We want a profitable company and compensatory acknowledgment of our work.

The next hard part is ahead of us, assembling a new team to move forward.

Until then, save some room on your surveys for not a single pilot left behind for retro retirement. Why? Because every future retiree is worth it, every single NOW retiree is worth it and every past retiree since amenable date is worth it.

We did not delay the pension improvement, our company did. We expected them to address this sooner, but they did not. I am not worried, our pilot group (old heads and younguns) will address it NOW and…

NOT a single pilot left behind (300 and growing). Let’s GO!

I smell a furlough after peak. Call me crazy but I think it’s just around the corner.

What’s making you feel that way? Is there some new information that you can share?

They can furlough, but it will come at a much higher than usual price. They'll never see 90% of those people again. It'll make recall quite a conundrum.

They've never furloughed, they've only watched furloughs on the pax side when all of the pax carriers were bleeding simultaneously. In this case I'd say to management that this doesn't work the way you think it works. All they will do is lose a bunch of sunk costs, never to be recovered, and then end up hiring again in a market where they're the ugliest suitor in the room.

That sounds pretty on brand, to be honest

This would give us the most massive leverage to exist in pilot hiring after three years. Especially when all the other contracts and UPS would be coming due.

haha. Yes. This is most likely their plan. Written in finger paint and glitter. Calibrated with glue eating ceremony.

The way the bottom 10% of the seniority list is spread throughout airframes it will be very expensive from a training perspective. Lots of seat movements required.