magic rat

This has the potential to be the best thread yet.

Spot13

This is what happens to pilots whose time logged behind a desk is greater than the time logged in the air. They forget what they are and instead believe they are executives. Career union and schoolhouse "pilots" are just as guilty. They brag about how they are home over a dozen months before they ever fly again. Notice how meetings during Thanksgiving and Christmas. Not all are guilty but most are.

Anyone notice no airport standby's in open time or where is the NC's resignation? In PD righteous email they are working with the union. The NC is not resigning for a reason.

We will see if anything else taken away next month, if true or fact as PM would write - then they have begun to get back at us. More of a reason for us to stick together and let JD know,, we are ready. Do not fool yourself into believing RS, DU, anyone in pilot management or our union reps are on our side.

YellowBanana

100%. The “facts” at the end of PDs email talk about overmanning and how the retirements anticipated likely won’t materialize. I wish someone would explain why the new retirement scheme in TA 1.0 was designed in a way that would incentivize people to stay for a few more years?! Why make them wait? There are very easy ways to shave some fat if the overmanning situation is as dire as they’re making it out to be. Also, 700 overstaffed means they should’ve stopped hiring at the beginning of last year… Have the people who are paid the big bucks to predict this stuff been shown the door yet? I get it all changes rapidly and could understand a slight excess, but 700 seems egregious. We’d be fired immediately if we were as bad at our jobs and caused the company to waste that much money.

FWIW the online bookstore based in Seattle noticed a decrease in “stuff” last spring and they started adapting - I refuse to believe upper management here didn’t see the same much earlier than it was announced. Same thing with the USPS contract- it’s been public knowledge for YEARS that the postal service was changing to a ground-heavy network and modifying their delivery metrics so quit acting like it’s all a sudden surprise. If the company failed to plan accordingly then just admit it and move on.

NoHaz

I think it was a pretty small incentive to stay a few more years as the cap creeps up. I think there was a group of hundreds that would have gone almost immediately as they have been waiting around for the last few years for the improvement. Those same guys will ALL wait now for 2.0 unless they hit 65. We can debate how many would have left and how quickly they would have gone but that doesn't matter now.

StarClipper

So you think it’s a good idea to sacrifice pay, QOL, retirement for new hires, job security and possibly our career just for the gratification of a selected few to get a small bump in retirement. All for a promise of them probably leaving? Nope! Not going to happen.

NoHaz

Nope is right, This TA obviously wasn't quite good enough. I think there should be a 1.5 that improves the term sheet items; pay and back pay to industry leading and a side letter or relook at scope to dispel any possibilities of the massive wet lease / furlough scenarios people are concerned about. It doesn't make sense to me to start over after 3 years of negotiations. The A fund improvement isn't a small bump and it is the only bump we have ever had. Since that was our number one polled negotiation priority it should stay or some version that improves the retirement of those about to retire and all the way through those who just got hired.

Otterbox

Seen it happen at the regionals. Tends to only happen when there’s some truth embedded in the rumor the MEC feels their tenure is in jeopardy due to animosity from the pilot group after its brought to light…

Spot13

Their "service" to us is in jeopardy and they know it. Anyone around for the Aug 11 meeting needs to go or proxy your vote. Even from that meeting we can learn how to make this process of recall for the rest go better. We need to clean house and make them realize they are one of us, not above us.

Still awaiting the NC resignation email. But we got an email from PD saying they are working with the Union.

YellowBanana

You're right, it does not matter. Moving forward, this concept of utilizing Section 6 negotiations as a way of creating *possible* early-out packages needs to die. I say possible because there’s absolutely no guarantee that anyone would’ve left. I’d be willing to bet it’s far, far less than a couple hundred, but it’s all speculation and has been since the get-go. FedEx has never made decisions like this based on speculation…

If this company is really interested in thinning the crew force then do what just about every other airline has done successfully and develop an early-out LOA. Have people sign their name to it with no option to back out and you’ll know exactly how many will be out the door - and they’ll be coming from the most expensive segment of the crew force.

NoHaz

The A fund improvement wasn't created specifically as a an early out program. It just would have worked out as a bump for all the senior folks that have put off retirement for the last few years to grab the bump. Even when that bubble of delaying retirees left a lasting 30% improved A plan was left for all.