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Old 08-31-2023, 03:02 PM
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Earlier today, the MEC received the results of the telephone survey conducted from August 10th through August 23rd. The MEC will receive a comprehensive briefing from our polling expert on Tuesday. The phone survey had an impressive 96% response rate, solidifying the fact that pilots are eager to participate and ensuring the accuracy of our findings. Additionally, we are in the process of preparing a web-based survey that will allow everyone in the pilot group to participate and will drill down on specific areas for improvement you have identified in the phone survey. As bargaining resumes, you can expect future surveys that capture the changing business and economic environments.
The survey underscored the need to address Scope, Pay, and the Amendable Period Recovery Payment while also recognizing that Retirement remains a significant area of focus. These survey results provide us with the initial data required to take the next steps as we prepare to re-engage with the NMB and reinitiate bargaining.
It has been said that you achieve what you can negotiate, not what you deserve. We cannot achieve what we deserve without working together and the full support of the membership.


Lets it be clear to the MEC/NC, any concessions is an automatic NO vote. If they think they’re going to do a quick fix on what’s mentioned in their message and expect it to pass, then we will be working on TA3 before you know it. I’ll wait as long as it take to fix that mess.
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Old 08-31-2023, 08:38 PM
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Earlier today, the MEC received the results of the telephone survey conducted from August 10th through August 23rd. The MEC will receive a comprehensive briefing from our polling expert on Tuesday. The phone survey had an impressive 96% response rate, solidifying the fact that pilots are eager to participate and ensuring the accuracy of our findings. Additionally, we are in the process of preparing a web-based survey that will allow everyone in the pilot group to participate and will drill down on specific areas for improvement you have identified in the phone survey. As bargaining resumes, you can expect future surveys that capture the changing business and economic environments.
The survey underscored the need to address Scope, Pay, and the Amendable Period Recovery Payment while also recognizing that Retirement remains a significant area of focus. These survey results provide us with the initial data required to take the next steps as we prepare to re-engage with the NMB and reinitiate bargaining.
It has been said that you achieve what you can negotiate, not what you deserve. We cannot achieve what we deserve without working together and the full support of the membership.


Lets it be clear to the MEC/NC, any concessions is an automatic NO vote. If they think they’re going to do a quick fix on what’s mentioned in their message and expect it to pass, then we will be working on TA3 before you know it. I’ll wait as long as it take to fix that mess.
Star, ever been married? If you were, I bet it was a short one. In any marriage concessions are made. Same in this "relationship".
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It has been said that you achieve what you can negotiate, not what you deserve. We cannot achieve what we deserve without working together and the full support of the membership.
Not sure they're gonna get full support of the membership with the current NC and MEC Chairman still in place.
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Star, ever been married? If you were, I bet it was a short one. In any marriage concessions are made. Same in this "relationship".
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Again, then why were there no concessions at UPS, United, American, and Delta? Why is FedEx always the only one to give a little to get a little?

Concessions are to give breathing room in times of economic constraint. Revenue has basically doubled since last time.

To use your analogy, it’s as if you got a raise at work and came home to tell your wife she can’t go on the girls weekend this year because you got a raise. What? See how long that lasts.
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Not sure they're gonna get full support of the membership with the current NC and MEC Chairman still in place.
This is exactly the problem. The NC lied to us when they said they would resign when the TA failed. Why should we trust anything they say?

We could waste 6 months while they dither and then give us pancakes again.

No thanks!

The current NC, MEC, and especially MEC Chairman, do not have my support.

I already voted in favor of recalling two reps. One more has resigned, another is up for a recall vote. What about the other LEC's?

It's time to clean house.
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Again, then why were there no concessions at UPS, United, American, and Delta? Why is FedEx always the only one to give a little to get a little?

Concessions are to give breathing room in times of economic constraint. Revenue has basically doubled since last time.

To use your analogy, it’s as if you got a raise at work and came home to tell your wife she can’t go on the girls weekend this year because you got a raise. What? See how long that lasts.
This is the problem with our MEC and NC. They have been brainwashed, because the "tradition" is "interest based bargaining", which means giving away our (fewer and fewer) perks to get less than inflation raises.

It's time to stop this nonsense, another reason we need to clean house and have as many new reps as possible, and a new NC. I don't trust them to do the right thing.
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy View Post
Again, then why were there no concessions at UPS, United, American, and Delta? Why is FedEx always the only one to give a little to get a little?

Concessions are to give breathing room in times of economic constraint. Revenue has basically doubled since last time.

To use your analogy, it’s as if you got a raise at work and came home to tell your wife she can’t go on the girls weekend this year because you got a raise. What? See how long that lasts.
Here's another analogy: Do you think that when a company executive goes in for his pay raise review, they tell him, "we will give you a raise, but you have to give back X many vacation days?"

I don't think that happens, or the word would get around and no executive would work here.

It should be the same way for pilots.

No concessions!
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Star, ever been married? If you were, I bet it was a short one. In any marriage concessions are made. Same in this "relationship".
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If you’re comparing your relationship with your wife to your relationship with FedEx I feel really, really bad for your wife.
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No concessions! If the pax carriers can get away with non-concessionary contracts, so can we! The mentality here has got to change! OG fdx is gone, we have to change our mindset.
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Star, ever been married? If you were, I bet it was a short one. In any marriage concessions are made. Same in this "relationship".
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It’s all good! I’ll rather be single in that case. I don’t want don’t end up giving the last hair on my body to my wife and at the end she still divorce me and take my blood too.
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