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100 Continue 12-20-2023 10:47 AM

Great question! I had to leave before the end of the meeting...did they table that?

FedUpWilson318 12-21-2023 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Rum Runner (Post 3739064)
So what is the last slide in the survey? Came up for about an hour today in the online MEC meeting.

Haven't seen the slide, but from context it's survey results regarding pilot groups confidence in current NC. Based on who want's it released I'd guess it reflects low-confidence.

Freighthumper 12-21-2023 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 3739915)
Haven't seen the slide, but from context it's survey results regarding pilot groups confidence in current NC. Based on who want's it released I'd guess it reflects low-confidence.

Thats my guess as well. As the last part of the survey was a text block to write in concerns, perhaps the last page of the slides addressed this. I doubt I'm the only one that wrote in that despite saying I'd take a good contract no matter who negotiated it, they failed to ask if PM and RB have my confidence as the people that could actually deliver that contract. They said it was the best they could get and I'll take their word. Time to replace.

FedUpWilson318 12-21-2023 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 3740158)
They said it was the best they could get and I'll take their word. Time to replace.

Agreed...although the "establishment" delayed recalls long enough to make it a bad idea currently. The MEC should have replaced NC IMMEDIATELY after TA1.0 got shot down, but the stall tactics in LEC and MEC recalls led to us finally getting to a place where we could replace the NC far too close to the current negotiating opportunities.

JustInFacts 12-28-2023 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 3740177)
Agreed...although the "establishment" delayed recalls long enough to make it a bad idea currently. The MEC should have replaced NC IMMEDIATELY after TA1.0 got shot down, but the stall tactics in LEC and MEC recalls led to us finally getting to a place where we could replace the NC far too close to the current negotiating opportunities.

Two of the three LEC's held recall meeting rather quickly. The members of the LEC that didn't could have forced a meeting if they had chosen to.

plzdontfireme 12-28-2023 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 3740177)
Agreed...although the "establishment" delayed recalls long enough to make it a bad idea currently. The MEC should have replaced NC IMMEDIATELY after TA1.0 got shot down, but the stall tactics in LEC and MEC recalls led to us finally getting to a place where we could replace the NC far too close to the current negotiating opportunities.

It's not a bad idea currently. A 1-2 month delay vs another failed TA or even AIP... which would you rather have?

If the company really wants a quick deal ASAP, they will want one even more once the new NC is on line and dialed in.

Now... if the only reason why they want a quick deal now is because we haven't done a line-change on the NC, that should be a huge motivator to replace the NC wouldn't you think?

Bill80 12-28-2023 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by plzdontfireme (Post 3742759)
It's not a bad idea currently. A 1-2 month delay vs another failed TA or even AIP... which would you rather have?

If the company really wants a quick deal ASAP, they will want one even more once the new NC is on line and dialed in.

Now... if the only reason why they want a quick deal now is because we haven't done a line-change on the NC, that should be a huge motivator to replace the NC wouldn't you think?

The NC WORKS FOR THE MEC.

And it won't be a 1-2 month delay. The new reps have ridiculous ideas, including further pension increases, that will drag out negotiations longer than anyone can imagine.

Jamo 12-28-2023 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Bill80 (Post 3742806)
The NC is supposed to WORKS FOR THE MEC.

And it won't be a 1-2 month delay. The new reps have ridiculous ideas, including further pension increases, that will drag out negotiations longer than anyone can imagine.

Fixed it for you. Your second statement is speculation.

CactusMan 12-29-2023 04:03 AM


Originally Posted by Jamo (Post 3742864)
Fixed it for you. Your second statement is speculation.

Correct. If PM’s only failure was a result of poor MEC guidance he’d have more supporters.

go re-read his apology email. Even he acknowledges the one-sided sales pitch and communication failures. Paired with his unacknowledged condescension and threats to the crew force, his failures extend far beyond a lack of MEC control.

Anthrax 12-29-2023 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by CactusMan (Post 3742890)
Correct. If PM’s only failure was a result of poor MEC guidance he’d have more supporters.

go re-read his apology email. Even he acknowledges the one-sided sales pitch and communication failures. Paired with his unacknowledged condescension and threats to the crew force, his failures extend far beyond a lack of MEC control.

Its absurd that he’s still there. the ego.


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