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FreightFlyer91 11-17-2023 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by OpusOne (Post 3725626)
Are we all done yet worshipping at the altar of TC? I, for one, don’t want a dime of my dues going to support his welfare scheme.

How did your YES vote you were so excited to cast turn out for you? TC is the only person on the MEC that didn't have his head up his arse and knew the TA wouldn't pass.

OpusOne 11-17-2023 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by FreightFlyer91 (Post 3725646)
How did your YES vote you were so excited to cast turn out for you? TC is the only person on the MEC that didn't have his head up his arse and knew the TA wouldn't pass.

My NO vote turned out just fine, thanks. Doesn't mean I need to send MY money towards some self-aggrandizing figure that has more in common with Brutus than the Moses he purports himself to be.

kronan 11-19-2023 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy (Post 3725136)
I assume you mean the traditional A-Plan that was frozen? Frozen is one thing. Two DB’s accruing over time is the issue. Just what I’ve heard. Don’t know for sure.

If you had elected to transition to the MBCBP, your YOS of service would have been frozen but your FAE continue to improve. (FAE cap would have been $290k)

Or you could have remained in the improved Pension.

CT's comments during the ratification period very valid

kronan 11-19-2023 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 3725602)
If one already had 25 years, then they could have got the full pension with the increase and also the new increased B plan with MBCP. We have quite a few people in their 50s that would have really cashed in with this.

The MBCBP was NOT an improved\increased\additional B plan. It was a Defined Benefit Plan.

Albeit a Defined Benefit Plan with a lump sum distribution option that began at 59.5. Someone who had elected to transfer into the MBCBP could have rolled those compensation credits and plus interest credits into an IRA. But, unlike a B plan...the MBCBP "balance" would be purely notional...no actual securities\investments in your name. And no personal control over where it was invested.

The shortcomings CT pointed out just as relevant today as they were during the ratification period, but there also would have been benefits.
But the benefits of switching for everyone with years to go, or the potential for 30 YOS, don't make up for the other shortcomings that were present in the TA

CloudSailor 11-22-2023 11:23 AM

PM must go.

He is the directly responsible for the Failed TA. He publicly stated he would step down if the TA failed, and yet - he remains there. Why?

Why is he so desperate to hang on to a role he has failed so miserably in?

This is the guy who:
1- tried selling us the Variable Pancake Plan = failure
2- renamed the plan as Stabilized Pancake Plan = failure again
3- crafted the TA with massive QOL givebacks, targeted for only the very senior and about to retire, and then used creative math (misled and misrepresented) to show our payrates as top in the industry, and then threatened us to vote it in to prevent furloughs = massive failure

Are we really going to keep him as NC Chair and expect to have a different outcome for TA2? That's insane.

Survey opened today, make your voice heard about the NC.

The results of this survey could direct the MEC to replace the NC Chair (who won't step down), right? That's how I interpret it from my Block Rep.

Maddog64 11-30-2023 01:38 PM

In the last communications from block 2 and 5 TC and CT state we have lots of volunteers for the NC job, does anyone know who has volunteered or what their qualifications are?

JustInFacts 11-30-2023 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by Maddog64 (Post 3729653)
In the last communications from block 2 and 5 TC and CT state we have lots of volunteers for the NC job, does anyone know who has volunteered or what their qualifications are?

They did not state "we have lots of volunteers for the NC job." What they said is, there are people willing to step up, and if no one wants the job if PM resigns, they will ask him back with the full support of the MEC. They also said that if the recent survey showed that the majority wanted to keep PM, they would honor that with the full support of the MEC.

So, please point out where they stated what you claim.

Maddog64 11-30-2023 05:55 PM

So I chose my words poorly when I said lots of volunteers. I should have said people willing to step up. My question remains the same. Does anyone know anyone willing to step up and what are their qualifications for the job.

Purp1eTail 11-30-2023 06:59 PM

Does anyone know anyone willing to step up and what are their qualifications for the job.

Stayed at a Holiday Inn last night for starters.

Thrust Hold 12-01-2023 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Purp1eTail (Post 3729817)
Does anyone know anyone willing to step up and what are their qualifications for the job.

Stayed at a Holiday Inn last night for starters.

Only guys on the 75 stay at Holiday Inns, so that narrows it down a good bit.


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