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Old 12-24-2023, 09:45 AM
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The arrogance! Tech is developing exponentially, add to this AI tech development - what some techies are calling sentient computers - plus the monetary incentives of breaking through, add the best most brilliant MIT grads working on this puzzle, but we’ll take the word of some Cessna 172 pilot who, with a little persistence, made it what has now become a second tier airline.

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I'll take my 15 years of professional experience in this field over your pathetic comments.

Which autonomous company do you currently work for?

Thought so.

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Old 12-24-2023, 10:01 AM
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I'll take my 15 years of professional experience in this field over your pathetic comments.

Which autonomous company do you currently work for?

Thought so.

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Hey dork, nice try with the straw man argument. No one here is talking about present circumstances (you yourself said lifetime, dummy) but about the technological advances in aviation, and how these will most definitely impact this industry in ways you clearly can’t imagine.

Maybe FDX pilots as a whole don’t deserve an industry leading contract, given the industry leading stupidity we have in the ranks.

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Old 12-24-2023, 10:35 AM
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Hey dork, nice try with the straw man argument. No one here is talking about present circumstances (you yourself said lifetime, dummy) but about the technological advances in aviation, and how these will most definitely impact this industry in ways you clearly can’t imagine.

Maybe FDX pilots as a whole don’t deserve an industry leading contract, given the industry leading stupidity we have in the ranks.
I can't imagine? I have 2 patents with my name in AI field. You?

Don't worry, I'm not on your seniority list. But pardon me for dismissing your comments about AI as you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Old 12-24-2023, 05:22 PM
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Waymo is a million times simpler than a pilotless aircraft, and every Waymo is restricted to a very small ODD. And even then they still need human intervention multiple times a day. No-one flying today will ever witness pilotless transport category airplanes during their careers.

The technology Waymo uses is not new, it was well known 5 years ago. These days the funding to attempt it is available, but it is not commercially viable. The problem is, that technology does not scale as far as they need it to. It's a technological dead end.
This is what I've been saying. We've been seeing a ton of venture capital getting dumped into flying cars, supersonic planes, and pilotless aircraft from a bunch of tech focused companies that think they can revolutionize everything. I think we are going to see more and more of these companies evaporate. I suspect we won't see any pilotless aircraft until there is a generation that has only even known driverless cars and that's still quite a ways away. I had a friend who told me I was an idiot for going into commercial aviation years ago because of hyperloop...look where that ended up.
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Old 12-24-2023, 05:58 PM
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This is what I've been saying. We've been seeing a ton of venture capital getting dumped into flying cars, supersonic planes, and pilotless aircraft from a bunch of tech focused companies that think they can revolutionize everything. I think we are going to see more and more of these companies evaporate. I suspect we won't see any pilotless aircraft until there is a generation that has only even known driverless cars and that's still quite a ways away. I had a friend who told me I was an idiot for going into commercial aviation years ago because of hyperloop...look where that ended up.
I agree. Things start small and grow; always have, always will. If anything these cargo drones will replace the feeder folks unfortunately, prior to any transport category size drones doing anything.
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Old 12-24-2023, 07:29 PM
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I agree. Things start small and grow; always have, always will. If anything these cargo drones will replace the feeder folks unfortunately, prior to any transport category size drones doing anything.
Indeed and their operation will be heavily scrutinized. Too many accidents/incidents will set them back even longer.
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Old 12-25-2023, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Anthrax View Post
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The arrogance! Tech is developing exponentially, add to this AI tech development - what some techies are calling sentient computers - plus the monetary incentives of breaking through, add the best most brilliant MIT grads working on this puzzle, but we’ll take the word of some Cessna 172 pilot who, with a little persistence, made it to what has now become a second tier airline.

****!
One of the problems with the tech industry getting involved in the physical world is their "beta" mentality. They've always been able to get away with pushing an 80 or 90 percent solution to the public. Not necessarily a huge problem with traditional software as you can update and patch as time goes on. Huge problem when you're talking about certifying something that will fly on a transport category aircraft (or even a relatively much simpler automobile).

Another piece of the puzzle that many of the tech bros seem to be overlooking is the power of existing infrastructure. Just look at the push for electric vehicles; one of the things that's holding more mass adoption back is the lack of charging infrastructure. It will be many, many years before even "fast charging" can hope to compete with the existing petroleum infrastructure, not to mention upgrading repair shops, training first responders, and myriad other issues that come with adopting a new technology on a mass scale. Will it eventually happen? Probably, but many of the people pushing it have massively underestimated the timeline involved. Multiply the auto industry's issues by an order of magnitude for aviation, where regulators around the globe are very conservative and expenses/barriers to entry are very high, and yeah, not really worried about pilotless/remotely piloted in my lifetime.
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Old 12-25-2023, 03:54 PM
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Serious questions.

Who pulls circuit breakers on equipment that overheat, spark or catch fire in flight?

Who flies the aircraft when the communication systems are hacked, experience a denial of servive or experience interferrence from weather, storms, space etc.etc.?

Already we are seeing GPS spoofing as a growing threat. Even with pilots in the cockpit, how does Nautilus overcome a GPS spoof which attacks, degrades or down right fails the navigational system?

https://ops.group/blog/gps-spoofing-update-08nov2023/
all good questions. if i were a young aspiring pilot i would definitely not be looking at the cargo carriers for long time employment. this new tech will be implimented at the box haulers first. will the flying public allow it is the question? hopefully not.
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Old 12-25-2023, 06:07 PM
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all good questions. if i were a young aspiring pilot i would definitely not be looking at the cargo carriers for long time employment. this new tech will be implimented at the box haulers first. will the flying public allow it is the question? hopefully not.
The box haulers still have to integrate into & out of the flow at major airports. It’s one thing to launch a glorified RC Caravan out of a small airport. It’s quite another to get the robots talking to SoCal Approach and clearing for the VFR traffic flowing across final. In other words, unless we start building cargo only airports, the freighters are going to run into all the same infrastructure limitations the pax haulers will.
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