Nautilus- unmanned
#21
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,470
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The arrogance! Tech is developing exponentially, add to this AI tech development - what some techies are calling sentient computers - plus the monetary incentives of breaking through, add the best most brilliant MIT grads working on this puzzle, but we’ll take the word of some Cessna 172 pilot who, with a little persistence, made it what has now become a second tier airline.
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The arrogance! Tech is developing exponentially, add to this AI tech development - what some techies are calling sentient computers - plus the monetary incentives of breaking through, add the best most brilliant MIT grads working on this puzzle, but we’ll take the word of some Cessna 172 pilot who, with a little persistence, made it what has now become a second tier airline.
****!
Which autonomous company do you currently work for?
Thought so.
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#22
Hey dork, nice try with the straw man argument. No one here is talking about present circumstances (you yourself said lifetime, dummy) but about the technological advances in aviation, and how these will most definitely impact this industry in ways you clearly can’t imagine.
Maybe FDX pilots as a whole don’t deserve an industry leading contract, given the industry leading stupidity we have in the ranks.
Last edited by Anthrax; 12-24-2023 at 10:14 AM.
#23
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,470
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Hey dork, nice try with the straw man argument. No one here is talking about present circumstances (you yourself said lifetime, dummy) but about the technological advances in aviation, and how these will most definitely impact this industry in ways you clearly can’t imagine.
Maybe FDX pilots as a whole don’t deserve an industry leading contract, given the industry leading stupidity we have in the ranks.
Hey dork, nice try with the straw man argument. No one here is talking about present circumstances (you yourself said lifetime, dummy) but about the technological advances in aviation, and how these will most definitely impact this industry in ways you clearly can’t imagine.
Maybe FDX pilots as a whole don’t deserve an industry leading contract, given the industry leading stupidity we have in the ranks.
Don't worry, I'm not on your seniority list. But pardon me for dismissing your comments about AI as you have no clue what you are talking about.
#24
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: B747-400 FO
Posts: 20
Waymo is a million times simpler than a pilotless aircraft, and every Waymo is restricted to a very small ODD. And even then they still need human intervention multiple times a day. No-one flying today will ever witness pilotless transport category airplanes during their careers.
The technology Waymo uses is not new, it was well known 5 years ago. These days the funding to attempt it is available, but it is not commercially viable. The problem is, that technology does not scale as far as they need it to. It's a technological dead end.
The technology Waymo uses is not new, it was well known 5 years ago. These days the funding to attempt it is available, but it is not commercially viable. The problem is, that technology does not scale as far as they need it to. It's a technological dead end.
#25
This is what I've been saying. We've been seeing a ton of venture capital getting dumped into flying cars, supersonic planes, and pilotless aircraft from a bunch of tech focused companies that think they can revolutionize everything. I think we are going to see more and more of these companies evaporate. I suspect we won't see any pilotless aircraft until there is a generation that has only even known driverless cars and that's still quite a ways away. I had a friend who told me I was an idiot for going into commercial aviation years ago because of hyperloop...look where that ended up.
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2023
Position: 727 Flight Engineer
Posts: 112
Indeed and their operation will be heavily scrutinized. Too many accidents/incidents will set them back even longer.
#27
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 108
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The arrogance! Tech is developing exponentially, add to this AI tech development - what some techies are calling sentient computers - plus the monetary incentives of breaking through, add the best most brilliant MIT grads working on this puzzle, but we’ll take the word of some Cessna 172 pilot who, with a little persistence, made it to what has now become a second tier airline.
****!
The arrogance! Tech is developing exponentially, add to this AI tech development - what some techies are calling sentient computers - plus the monetary incentives of breaking through, add the best most brilliant MIT grads working on this puzzle, but we’ll take the word of some Cessna 172 pilot who, with a little persistence, made it to what has now become a second tier airline.
****!
Another piece of the puzzle that many of the tech bros seem to be overlooking is the power of existing infrastructure. Just look at the push for electric vehicles; one of the things that's holding more mass adoption back is the lack of charging infrastructure. It will be many, many years before even "fast charging" can hope to compete with the existing petroleum infrastructure, not to mention upgrading repair shops, training first responders, and myriad other issues that come with adopting a new technology on a mass scale. Will it eventually happen? Probably, but many of the people pushing it have massively underestimated the timeline involved. Multiply the auto industry's issues by an order of magnitude for aviation, where regulators around the globe are very conservative and expenses/barriers to entry are very high, and yeah, not really worried about pilotless/remotely piloted in my lifetime.
#28
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Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 414
Serious questions.
Who pulls circuit breakers on equipment that overheat, spark or catch fire in flight?
Who flies the aircraft when the communication systems are hacked, experience a denial of servive or experience interferrence from weather, storms, space etc.etc.?
Already we are seeing GPS spoofing as a growing threat. Even with pilots in the cockpit, how does Nautilus overcome a GPS spoof which attacks, degrades or down right fails the navigational system?
https://ops.group/blog/gps-spoofing-update-08nov2023/
Who pulls circuit breakers on equipment that overheat, spark or catch fire in flight?
Who flies the aircraft when the communication systems are hacked, experience a denial of servive or experience interferrence from weather, storms, space etc.etc.?
Already we are seeing GPS spoofing as a growing threat. Even with pilots in the cockpit, how does Nautilus overcome a GPS spoof which attacks, degrades or down right fails the navigational system?
https://ops.group/blog/gps-spoofing-update-08nov2023/
#29
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Joined APC: Oct 2023
Posts: 108
The box haulers still have to integrate into & out of the flow at major airports. It’s one thing to launch a glorified RC Caravan out of a small airport. It’s quite another to get the robots talking to SoCal Approach and clearing for the VFR traffic flowing across final. In other words, unless we start building cargo only airports, the freighters are going to run into all the same infrastructure limitations the pax haulers will.
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