DLax85

While the Holiday Season focus has been the latest poltical games inside our own MEC & NC, the final piece of the "Industry Standard Payrates" was published with the new SWA TA....and their associated 64 page SWAPA Contract Comparison.

If you haven't read it yet, get a copy of the pdf. Focus on pages 15-21, which discuss Aircraft Grouping - Wide Body (WB), Large Narrowbody (LNB) and Small Narrow Body (SNB), Important Notes re: each airline, Fleet Data, and finally - black & white, straight forward Industry Hourly Rates.

(Note: SWA pilots pay is based on TFPs. To convert 1 TFP to 1 Hour of Pay you must multiply by 1.149. The SWA new TFP rates have been converted to hourly rates in these charts to allow direct comparison)

(Note: Unfortunately, in our 2006 CBA negotitations we agreed that whichever aircraft replaced the 727 --- the 737 or the 757 -- either aircraft would be paid at 727/737 rates. We were the first and only airline to agree to pay band the 757 with those smaller/less capable narrow body aircraft).

Here are the new 2024 Industry Hourly Rates for Large-Narrow Body aircraft.

Top-of-Scale Captain:
Fedex (failed TA 1.0 - Feb '24) - $339.64

American (A321neo/XLR) - $374.36
Delta (757) - $374.36
United (757) - $374.36

Southwest (737) - $364.52

Alaska (737) - $340.25
Hawaiian (A321neo) - $329
Jet Blue (A321neo/737) - $330
Spirit (A321neo/737) - $306

Top of Scale - First Officer:
Fedex (failed TA 1.0 - Feb '24) - $245.75

American (A321neo/XLR) - $255.69
Delta (757) - $255.69
United (757) - $255.69

Southwest (737) - $255.17

Alaska (737) - $235.21
Hawaiian (A321neo) - $229.64
Jet Blue (A321neo/737) - $228.13
Spirit (A321neo/737) - $197.97

Under TA 1.0 our 757 Capt's would be paid 9.3% below all 3 legacy airline rates, and 7% below SWA 737 rates.

Under TA 1.0 our 757 FOs would be paid 4% below legacy rates, and 3.7% below SWA 737 rates.

Is this acceptable?

While TA1.0 properly addressed, and begins to correct, the current Fedex 15 year pay scale vs standard airline 12 year pay scale, it did not focus on or address the fact we continue to accept 757 pay rates BELOW Industry Standard, and now even below SWA 737s.

Please discuss.

In Transparency, Integrity, and Unity (for Everyone),
DLax

p.s. Remember, under the MBCB Plan the "High 5" concept is DEAD! Remember the new mantra - Every Year Counts! Ok, then let's make sure every year and every jet is paid at true Industry Standard Rates!

Bill80

I think it's well known at this point that TA1 pay rates missed the mark. 14% DOS was unacceptale. 25% should have been the target.

Now it will have to be even higher because we were due 22% compounding in January 2025. Sure would be disappointing if we wait 1.5 years for a TA that has 3% more pay rates than what we would have at that point under TA1.

NotOldNotYoung

If the block reps that want to replace the NC get their way, 1.5 years would be optimistic.

The time to change the NC is passed. That ship sailed

CactusMan

First it was the threat of 2-3 years for a new TA if we voted no…that turned out to be blatantly false with the company signaling they want a quick deal.

Now the threat has morphed into a 2+ year delay if we replace the key personnel that crafted the doomed TA1. Same people making the same speculative, empty threats in an attempt to get others to fall in line with the old guard.

United replaced their NC and had a better deal in under a year. PM’s buddies have wasted 4-5 months so far hanging on to him in vain. I’d gladly tack on 5 months onto our current timeline to get more competent people on the NC.

Freight

Great post! Just to add on, don’t forget JetBlue has a $13/hr redeye override pay. So, that would put their ToS CA pay above ours.

So much for our openers of industry leading pay rates!

JustInFacts

As part of the discussion, I think it needs to be pointed out that we have two pay categories, widebody and narrowbody. Matching pay rates to specific aircraft may not be ideal for all. Is that where we want to go?

UPS has the highest career earnings of any airline, even after the large contracts of the big three. How can that be if their highest pay rate as of January 1 will be almost $70 per hour less? Maybe it is because they have a single pay rate, so they get paid more for longer rather than a lot at the very end. Even with their contract extensions, UPS didn't exceed Delta's 2016 contract highest pay rate until September of 2023.

So everyone on the Airbus and 767 should get less than what was in the failed TA? Be careful when you demand Industry Standard, you just may get what you ask for.

Stan446

[QUOTE=CactusMan;3742889]First it was the threat of 2-3 years for a new TA if we voted no…that turned out to be blatantly false with the company signaling they want a quick deal.

Company never said they wanted a quick deal, its to their benefit to delay.

Anderson

This guy, under one of his many usernames, once again advocates for lesser pay rates because of the fleet makeup. Sounds like management.

CactusMan

Company hasn’t said a word, but several reps have indicated via email and voice comms that the company wants a deal.

IF your claim that they are in fact dragging it out is true, then it costs us nothing to finally get rid of PM.

Anthrax

these voice comms and emails are speculation at best as to why they believe the company wants a deal. of course the company wants a deal, a great one for them, and another concessionary one for us!