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01-08-2024, 07:38 AM
#134
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
This is getting to be the most repeated non-truth out there. The Union did not "threaten with furloughs".....they related information the company provided to them about what the possible effect would be if the TA did not pass and Age 67 on the horizon.... as they were overmanned, there would be no incentive to retire. What do you think the reaction would have been if they kept that information to themselves? Would you really want them to keep that a secret?
Look at the Memphis 767 CA vs FO in the bidback.....there's 694 Captains and 522 First Officers in the February Bidpack. Seems pretty obvious they were expecting some retirements.
Look at the Memphis 767 CA vs FO in the bidback.....there's 694 Captains and 522 First Officers in the February Bidpack. Seems pretty obvious they were expecting some retirements.
01-08-2024, 07:53 AM
#135
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
This is getting to be the most repeated non-truth out there. The Union did not "threaten with furloughs".....they related information the company provided to them about what the possible effect would be if the TA did not pass and Age 67 on the horizon.... as they were overmanned, there would be no incentive to retire. What do you think the reaction would have been if they kept that information to themselves? Would you really want them to keep that a secret?
Furlough is a company decision irrespective of the TA.
01-08-2024, 09:03 AM
#136
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
But even if what you say is true…...
If the union assessed that the companies reaction to a failed TA was to furlough, and the company was also suggesting furlough, then informing you of the fact is not weaponization.
I am consistently amazed that while you guys are serious ideologues, you are easily offended, more easily frightened, and not very resilient. You recoil in horror when someone doesn’t parrot your group think and feel the need to attack anything that doesn’t reinforce your worldview.
01-08-2024, 09:11 AM
#137
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
If the union assessed that the companies reaction to a failed TA was to furlough, and the company was also suggesting furlough, then informing you of the fact is not weaponization.
01-08-2024, 09:16 AM
#138
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Originally Posted by Laughing_Jakal
I’d just as soon have you call me a liar in person. Are you saying I made this up?
If the union assessed that the companies reaction to a failed TA was to furlough, and the company was also suggesting furlough, then informing you of the fact is not weaponization.
I am consistently amazed that while you guys are serious ideologues, you are easily offended, more easily frightened, and not very resilient. You recoil in horror when someone doesn’t parrot your group think and feel the need to attack anything that doesn’t reinforce your worldview.
If the union assessed that the companies reaction to a failed TA was to furlough, and the company was also suggesting furlough, then informing you of the fact is not weaponization.
I am consistently amazed that while you guys are serious ideologues, you are easily offended, more easily frightened, and not very resilient. You recoil in horror when someone doesn’t parrot your group think and feel the need to attack anything that doesn’t reinforce your worldview.
However, for the rest of the pilot group, we found out via the “ratfied” slide at the roadshow. The union then went back to the company and asked their perspective. The company validated the union’s view and the union reported this finding at a subsequent roadshow. That was the sequence of events for pilots that don’t have talkative management friends.
Union says furlough >>> Company corroborates >>> Union confirms company position
As a point of order, a union has no control over furlough, and therefore should not speculate on the matter. It serves absolutely zero purpose.
01-08-2024, 09:32 AM
#140
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on the contrary, I asserted something, and he questioned whether or not, it was true, which presupposes the fact, that I wasn’t telling the truth. It doesn’t upset me quite frankly doesn’t surprise me either, I would just rather him come out and say that he thinks I’m a liar.
Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
You need to chill. He’s not calling you a liar. You are talking about two different events. You said that someone from management told you that furlough was a potentiality. That is your experience and yours alone.
However, for the rest of the pilot group, we found out via the “ratfied” slide at the roadshow. The union then went back to the company and asked their perspective. The company validated the union’s view and the union reported this finding at a subsequent roadshow. That was the sequence of events for pilots that don’t have talkative management friends.
Union says furlough >>> Company corroborates >>> Union confirms company position
As a point of order, a union has no control over furlough, and therefore should not speculate on the matter. It serves absolutely zero purpose.
However, for the rest of the pilot group, we found out via the “ratfied” slide at the roadshow. The union then went back to the company and asked their perspective. The company validated the union’s view and the union reported this finding at a subsequent roadshow. That was the sequence of events for pilots that don’t have talkative management friends.
Union says furlough >>> Company corroborates >>> Union confirms company position
As a point of order, a union has no control over furlough, and therefore should not speculate on the matter. It serves absolutely zero purpose.
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