Neither Old or young guys have the perfect insight to what makes a good culture or contract. I find it interesting how folks are just thrilled that younger guys are going to “fix” this place. When in the history of the world did any group say, yeah, let the young folks run it all? All demographics have different inputs to this contract based on their wants, needs and experiences. Everyone gets an input and the MEC will rank the priorities based on those inputs. To just say the youngsters will get their way is rather weak.

 

It says a lot about this “airline” that the junior pilot group is referred to as “youngsters” when the median age of the bottom half of the list is probably close to 45 years old (maybe older).

”stay off my lawn!”

 

Company's lawyers are gonna read this thread and blaze up cigars with hundred dollar bills.

To paraphrase W. Buckley, what Fedex worries about is a unified, coordinated negotiating effort from its pilots. Which means they have little to fear.

 

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I doubt it. Hardly the majority of FX pilots posting here.

 

Correct. That clearly has nothing to do with the fact that we didn't hire much for a long long time, the fact that this airline flies mostly widebodies, or the fact that upgrade goes junior because night hub turns are rough. None of that is relevant.

Also that's a great reason to argue for the abysmal pay rates in TA1.0. Our widebody pay was going to be the worst in the industry for a long time, but that's ok, because everyone hired at FedEx is getting a 6 year upgrade, guaranteed!

 

So do you know that median age of junior pilots is 45 or did you just pull that number out? WRXpilot guy was excited about younger pilots fixing our culture and that’s what I’m referring to. Sorry you’re sensitive about the term youngster.

 

We have been a predominantly WB airline my whole time here. How come it took 13 years for me to hold wide body captain? Hub turns haven't changed much either. So your theory is baseless as usual.

Way to make your own assumptions about pay rates too. Doesn't matter 1 year wide body captain or not we deserve competitive pay rates.

Are you just as clueless on everything else about our crew force and our system. Get off the JF crack pipe.

 

I totally pulled that number out of my arse but you threw down a challenge and awakened the ‘tism in me. According to the data on the FDX alpa site the average age of FOs is 44.66.

*Multiplied each age by the number of FOs with that age, found the sum of all those, divided that by the total number of FOs.

…it’s not the bottom half of the list but whatever, so sue me. It still proves the point...we’re not “youngins”.

 

Well I guess you’re not one of the younger pilots that WRXPilot is excited to see come in and save us all from ourselves 😜. You can hang with us not quite old pilots and watch it happen. I’ll bring the popcorn. Let’s get saved.

In case you missed the point, I did not refer to all new hires or junior pilots as youngsters…some are older than me. Junior does not correlate with young. The younger pilots that will save our culture according to wRXpilot are the “youngsters.” And in reality, they too are not real youngsters but rather adult men and women not quite as far along in years. I simply found it weird that a grown man feels the need to be rescued by these younger pilots. I did not mean to insult this group of youngsters that apparently you are not a member of. I am poking fun at the guy who needs them to save our “culture.” 🤔

 

Bad timing when you got hired. Just like the guys hired in December 2022. But overall, our WB upgrade is faster.

You're right, but there are many here that were trying to get us to vote yes to accept lower WB pay rates because we had quicker WB upgrade.