Originally Posted by ogarmyopar (Post 3765028)

I will forever be shocked that the pay rates and bonus weren’t eye watering with the amount of concessions they tried to include in ta1.

Unfortunately I see this playing out for a very long time. They aren’t going to offer industry standard and we will and should continue to say no until they do however long that takes. My blood boils to think about guys retiring every month without an improved pension but that was the risk accepted with not addressing it in the last contract. But please direct your anger at the cheap a$$ company that many of you are so loyal to for not acknowledging your career and sacrifice with an improved pension AND an industry standard contract not at your fellow pilot for refusing to work for less with major concessions and some unknown pancake retirement plan to fund a pension increase.

Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3765279)

So what if it takes 4 years? We're only getting leverage when something changes - something that we don't control - need of pilots, lot more of Fedex freight. Just wondering if we are in the same position in 2 years from now would you still say "the anxious lose"? How do you define the anxious? You're tactics are like generic kindergarten stuff - "all we have is unity" - what does that mean now? I know you are a big believer that we will be released by the NMB (not sure why you believe that but whatever) but outside of that, what else do we have?