UnusualAttitude

ALPA has proven that a “Focused priorities” approach to negotiations leads to a failed result. To attempt to use ALPA resources to negotiate on behalf of one specific group is not a strategy that will ever lead to a ratifiable agreement. The time is now to address the realities facing this pilot group, create a plan, and move towards the future. The past is the past and the future can only be directed by the present.

Facts about the 2015 Contract and TA 1.0 2023:

CBA 2015

1. Industry leading vacation if your seniority allows you to hold a line or reserve line. (CBA 2015 limited ability to enjoy industry leading vacation due to massive decrease in reserve lines and massive increase in PBS awarded schedules.)

2. Industry leading language for trip removal or revision with pay for trips when awarded trip is needed to facilitate FAA mandated training.

3.Industry worst reserve rules. Overwhelming majority of reserve pilots must be able to report within 90 minutes of trip notification.

4. Industry worst system bidding (Filling of Crew Positions) to include most restrictions to exercise seniority in the industry. This industry worst section has trickle down effects that lessen the value of nearly every other section of the CBA.

5. Industry worst Hours of Service to include duty days extendable to FAR maximums due to operational emergency.

6. Industry worst Scope language.

7. Industry worst pay rates.

8. Industry worst compensation for Instructors/Line Check Airman.

9. Industry best deadheading flexibility (mutually beneficial to Company and individual pilot.)

10. Industry worst hotels.

11. Demographic debatable retirement language.

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TA 23 1.0

1. No change to vacation language.

2. Concessions to current book language.

3. Further concessions to already industry worst language.

4. No change to current industry worst language.

5. No change to current book language.

6. Further concessions to already industry worst language.

7. Industry lagging pay rates/compensation.

8. No change to current industry worst language.

9. Failed effort to incorporate Covid Travel Measures MOU into permanent contract language.

10. No change to current industry worst language.

11. Continued debate on retirement benefit based on demographics.

Anomjnom12

industry worst: culture

MaxRange

But FedEx is different!

BertMacklinFBI

I find the worst of it on these boards. Generally fly with good dudes/dudettes

CloudSailor

Completely agree, I fly with great guys all the time. Our line guys and gals, instructors, all great to share the cockpit with.

More like, trending towards industry worst corporate culture (now tied with UPS/Atlas).

Excellent CBA summary, UnusualAttitude

Anomjnom12

the people you fly with aren’t the only part of a culture. it’s much, much deeper than that.

Birdsmash

The main driver of the culture clash at Atlas is now your CFO. The culture is hopefully healing at Atlas. Unfortunately, JD will infect yours.

FedUpWilson318

UPS mitigates a lousy corporate culture with a seemingly strong and unified pilot group.

We have <checks notes> the 'Freedom Fighters', and the '(not so) Silent (not a) Majority'. Arguing relentlessly on social media about who holds the moral high ground for their latest bush-league antics, while management laughs and lights cigars with the million dollar bills they are saving due to our hubris and discord.

JustInFacts

Since we are talking contract facts, let's look at the history.

Compensation: In 1999, our top rate was $184 while Delta's was $250. In 2004, our top rate was $206 while Delta's was $319. We went from Delta being paid 30+% more to them being paid 50+% more, yet people like to say we had industry leading pay. Our top rate didn't pass that $250 mark until 2008 for our A380 rate that we never got.

Reserve: 90 minute call out. Saying that an overwhelming majority of our pilots must be able to report withing 90 minutes is true, but not necissarily what happens in reality. This is also a product of only having two recoveries and all of our trips ending when we hit our base. Can that change, sure. How and what are the follow on concequences? Can you imaging how the company could abuse pairings that are allowed to be built to transit a pilots base? What about revisions that allow the company to sweep a pilot through their base?

System bidding: Yeah, it sucks. It didn't poll in the top four in items to be fixed. Have you looked at Uniteds' new contract? If they bid to a seat, and a new bid comes out and they could hold a better seat, yet haven't trained for the previos seat, they can't bid. If you are stuck in a seat, and a junior pilot got hired into the seat you want, how do you suggest fixing it? A bump and flush bid? Wouldn't that be sticking it to the junior guys, or does that only apply if you aren't the junior guy?

Hotels: Well, I guess I will tell that Delta and United crew that are staying at this same hotel that they are staying at an industry worst place.

It is easy to point out problems, it finding the solutions that don't have negative effects worse than the original problem that becomes tricky.

While some might not agree with the focused approach, it is what the majority wanted.

So, what isn't the MEC telling us about being released? Have they mentioned that a PEB could say that the rejected TA was the highest per pilot contract? Have they said that the PEB could make recommendations for a new contract? Have they mentioned that Congress could force the rejected TA on us or a recommended TA from the PEB? This isn't meant to try to scare anyone, it is only mentioning the possibilties that haven't been brought up. If we are so important to the US and world economy, shouldn't these items be a concern?

Flying Boxes

Both are your facts, so you even admitted that we had better pay then Delta.

Is your point, we shouldn’t have Delta pay rates?