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Old 11-09-2024 | 07:31 AM
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Did anyone catch the latest comm from LEC500? There was a resolution that was trying to address the pay of MEC Officers and others on fulltime FPL if we enter 4.A.2.c and have reduced BLGs. It died in subcommittee. So, line pilots take a haircut (to protect the jobs of the junior guys, which I am fine with), but the Officers keep getting their 98hrs per month? Give your rep a call or the LEC 500 Chair if this bothers you!!

BTW, are any of the junior pilots concerned that the NC is talking about redlining all of 4.A.2.b/c? That's the only think keeping us from furlough right now, makes no sense to me!
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Old 11-09-2024 | 07:57 AM
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98 hours, try some as high as 140hrs! Talk about getting fleeced! Volunteer job, should get BLG. Who is the chump now?



Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut
Did anyone catch the latest comm from LEC500? There was a resolution that was trying to address the pay of MEC Officers and others on fulltime FPL if we enter 4.A.2.c and have reduced BLGs. It died in subcommittee. So, line pilots take a haircut (to protect the jobs of the junior guys, which I am fine with), but the Officers keep getting their 98hrs per month? Give your rep a call or the LEC 500 Chair if this bothers you!!

BTW, are any of the junior pilots concerned that the NC is talking about redlining all of 4.A.2.b/c? That's the only think keeping us from furlough right now, makes no sense to me!
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Old 11-09-2024 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut
Did anyone catch the latest comm from LEC500? There was a resolution that was trying to address the pay of MEC Officers and others on fulltime FPL if we enter 4.A.2.c and have reduced BLGs. It died in subcommittee. So, line pilots take a haircut (to protect the jobs of the junior guys, which I am fine with), but the Officers keep getting their 98hrs per month? Give your rep a call or the LEC 500 Chair if this bothers you!!

BTW, are any of the junior pilots concerned that the NC is talking about redlining all of 4.A.2.b/c? That's the only think keeping us from furlough right now, makes no sense to me!
Do we know who blocked it? Is there a way to see how people voted on that particular resolution?
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Old 11-09-2024 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by iPad 10
Do we know who blocked it? Is there a way to see how people voted on that particular resolution?
Im not certain how it went down in the sub-committee, but here is who was on the sub-committee:

Tony Cutler, Mick Beckwith, Chris Comer, Tim Fingers, Shane Bohlman


If one of them are your rep, you could ask them.
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Old 11-09-2024 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut
Did anyone catch the latest comm from LEC500? There was a resolution that was trying to address the pay of MEC Officers and others on fulltime FPL if we enter 4.A.2.c and have reduced BLGs. It died in subcommittee. So, line pilots take a haircut (to protect the jobs of the junior guys, which I am fine with), but the Officers keep getting their 98hrs per month? Give your rep a call or the LEC 500 Chair if this bothers you!!

BTW, are any of the junior pilots concerned that the NC is talking about redlining all of 4.A.2.b/c? That's the only think keeping us from furlough right now, makes no sense to me!
As always, if you don't like it you are free to run for office next time around. While you're working 9-11 days a month and getting bought up the assumption should be they are working many more days per month than that. When times are flush and guys are bidding carry-over and/or picking up draft galore making well north of 98 hrs/month will you come out that the MEC officers should get an override to make them whole? Good God, THIS is what you are worried about? "He's making more than me!" Well waaaa waaaa waaaa, news flash - somebody is always going to make more than you. They are making what we have in writing that they will make. Period. Dot. Move on.
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Old 11-09-2024 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Behnke
As always, if you don't like it you are free to run for office next time around. While you're working 9-11 days a month and getting bought up the assumption should be they are working many more days per month than that. When times are flush and guys are bidding carry-over and/or picking up draft galore making well north of 98 hrs/month will you come out that the MEC officers should get an override to make them whole? Good God, THIS is what you are worried about? "He's making more than me!" Well waaaa waaaa waaaa, news flash - somebody is always going to make more than you. They are making what we have in writing that they will make. Period. Dot. Move on.
Not moving on. I don't care if someone is making more than me. I think it is **** poor leadership to keep your higher paycheck, while the people you are leading start suffering. Also, lower BLGs = lower dues income. Some of these guys are taking FPL plus stipends (which is not what they were designed for) and making considerably (140+ hours per month!) more than they would be on the line. So how does that work out for our budget? There is no leadership right now, just an empty suit collecting a ton of our dues money. We get nothing but a multi-page letter that says jack squat. Sounded like a chat-GPT written MBA project. So no, not moving on. Clearly I hit a nerve with you.
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Old 11-09-2024 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave Behnke
As always, if you don't like it you are free to run for office next time around. While you're working 9-11 days a month and getting bought up the assumption should be they are working many more days per month than that. When times are flush and guys are bidding carry-over and/or picking up draft galore making well north of 98 hrs/month will you come out that the MEC officers should get an override to make them whole? Good God, THIS is what you are worried about? "He's making more than me!" Well waaaa waaaa waaaa, news flash - somebody is always going to make more than you. They are making what we have in writing that they will make. Period. Dot. Move on.
Change your screen name too....Dave Behnke is rolling in his grave reading your garbage.
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Old 11-09-2024 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut
BTW, are any of the junior pilots concerned that the NC is talking about redlining all of 4.A.2.b/c? That's the only think keeping us from furlough right now, makes no sense to me!
It's not stopping anything. Are you really that clueless? You can't go more than 29 pilots from the bottom without hitting a 777 FO. The company would need to completely re-align the seniority list on the fleets that can't afford to lose pilots before furloughing. Do you see them doing that? Never mind that the ridiculous size and length of training out our bids would take far too long to commit to that course of action if things turn around.
That's the whole point of of re-evaluating the utility of 4.A.2.c It's not stopping a furlough because they can't furlough. So why are we giving them the option to manipulate the SAM and reduce BLGs in an attempt to stop something that can't happen anyway?
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Old 11-09-2024 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Emmerson Bigs
It's not stopping anything. Are you really that clueless? You can't go more than 29 pilots from the bottom without hitting a 777 FO. The company would need to completely re-align the seniority list on the fleets that can't afford to lose pilots before furloughing. Do you see them doing that? Never mind that the ridiculous size and length of training out our bids would take far too long to commit to that course of action if things turn around.
That's the whole point of of re-evaluating the utility of 4.A.2.c It's not stopping a furlough because they can't furlough. So why are we giving them the option to manipulate the SAM and reduce BLGs in an attempt to stop something that can't happen anyway?
I agree that the current pilot distribution is making it hard/impossible for them. I think you are smoking crack if you think they can't though. Re-evaluating is one thing, redlining the whole thing is another. Are YOU that clueless? I think a dose of 4.A.2.c and a furlough notice will snap you out of it.
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Old 11-09-2024 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut
I agree that the current pilot distribution is making it hard/impossible for them. I think you are smoking crack if you think they can't though. Re-evaluating is one thing, redlining the whole thing is another. Are YOU that clueless? I think a dose of 4.A.2.c and a furlough notice will snap you out of it.
Again. They can't under the current conditions and it will take at least a year to change that if not longer. It's not a theory. Until you see a bump and flush bid completely re-aligning the bottom of the list, there's no way a furlough is happening. So wring your hands if you want. The only thing our current language in the CBA is accomplishing is giving them relief from buy ups if/when the reduced BLGs are triggered.
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