Or just train enough pilots over to the 777 and MD-11 so that's not a factor. The 777 now has an ability to put 16 crews per month through the school house. Pull up Vacancy award 24-01, leave all categories blank and click the box for new awards only. You'll see which fleets the company is focused on moving pilots to. 24-01 could realistically be trained out by next fall.

 

we will get a TA whenever we get one. That’s not what I was talking about. I just highlighted through 2027 because it doesn't really make much sense to furlough if you are going to loose 500-1000 pilots in 3 years anyway.

Potentially 20 percent of our group gone in 3 years.

 

Hardly. They took the job that you were perfectly eligible to apply for, but that you did not do. Said job had very defined work rules and compensation. Asking them to accept less pay for working the same amount to appease you is just dumb. Trying to change their work rules after they already accepted the job with the work rules defined is both petty and ridiculous. If this was such a problem it should have been addressed when we were in 4A2b last time around, but it wasn't because most people understand that changing the work rules you agreed to work under is a douche move. I've served on several committees as a volunteer and been a committee chair before, so my screen name is just fine. That I don't buy in to your "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs" philosophy doesn't make me wrong or a bad guy.

 

Nooooo... When I compared my pay rate at the final pay increase from the 2015 CBA to the TA proposed pay and it didn't even keep up with inflation, well that's all I needed to see. Add the cherry of the ridiculous 'Retro Pay' to the top of that Sundae and it was an auto-No.

 

Even if we didn't have 4A2c, there is a cost to furlough. Its not a free lunch. I don't know the cost benefit between lower BLGs versus having to go straight to furlough but just wanted to point that out.

 

I'm pretty sure that the Purple Runway program is mandatory flow to the line vs an "If we're hiring" program. Section 23.A.10 when coupled with mandatory hires from Purple Runway would seem to be a anti-furlough situation.

 

You don't think there's been anyone from the program thats eligible to be hired for nearly a year?

 

I believe you are correct, but I've heard there are a few scheduled to come onboard this year.

 

And we potentially only lose 10% of our pilots in 3 years if the TA doesn't provide any reason to leave before 65.

How overmanned are we? If you believe what management put out, at least 800. If you use the SAM, we need to lose just over 500 pilots to get it back above 70 hours in a 4 week month.

 

So you think that no one in the program completed the qualifications in the last 13 months? Even though 9 flowed through the previos two years.

Can you provide any hard language in a contract that says that the purple runway pilots will flow through as soon as they meet the requirements regardless if the company needs to furlough or isn't hiring? If so, great, then as soon as they do, we will be out of 4a2b or 4a2c. I guess that meeting next week is a waste of time.