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Emmerson Bigs 02-22-2025 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Thrust Hold (Post 3885803)
Think bigger. Not just CA's. Junior FO's on WB's are likely to get excessed because of the very scenario that you've described.

I don't disagree. I was responsing to the premise that junior pilots in seats aren't protected. That depends on several factors and the example I gave refuted your suggestion. Junior OAK or IND 767 CAs are not in threat of being pushed out of their seats, so they ARE protected. This is not a system wide free-for-all. But, yes, junior FOs on WB could be at risk due to the circumstances.

Thrust Hold 02-22-2025 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by Emmerson Bigs (Post 3885806)
I don't disagree. I was responsing to the premise that junior pilots in seats aren't protected. That depends on several factors and the example I gave refuted your suggestion. Junior OAK or IND 767 CAs are not in threat of being pushed out of their seats, so they ARE protected. This is not a system wide free-for-all. But, yes, junior FOs on WB could be at risk due to the circumstances.

My suggestion? Or the copied and pasted Q&A from 23-01, which highlights step by step how Displacements are processed?

jetlaggy 02-22-2025 10:11 AM

It looks like they are going to park the excess pilots as FOs on the 757..thus the additional 757 FO slots but negative Capts.

Emmerson Bigs 02-22-2025 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Thrust Hold (Post 3885813)
My suggestion? Or the copied and pasted Q&A from 23-01, which highlights step by step how Displacements are processed?

I don't know why ALPA chose to re-publish Q&A from 23-01/24-01 that's partially applicable to 25-01. I guess they expected pilots to have enough understanding of the process to filter out the portions that don't apply. There is a Q&A exclusively for 25-01 also, FYI. The first "component" of the four you cut and pasted applies to base closure. That's done. There are no base closures in this bid. Everyone in a seat that closed used their options related to that event already in 23-01. They all have a new position and that's what applies to 25-01, even if they're not activated in that position yet.

Maybe since there were uber senior pilots in the -11 bases closing in 23-01, it was easy to make blanket statements in the Q&A about not being protected in your junior seat. That may have applied system wide due to the seniority of those being displaced. But it doesn't now. There are very junior pilots in the seats with excesses and they don't have the same options as senior pilots in closing bases did on 23-01. So those who might opt to stand in for those being excessed don't have the same options either.

I think we're going around in circles on this. We'll see when the bid closes. My only point is that if no one bids out of IND or OAK CA seats, they you'll see the exact same names there when the bid closes as you do today.

Thrust Hold 02-22-2025 12:05 PM

Think of it as reading a contract........you only need to apply the line items that are applicable to the current situation.

P-3Bubba 02-23-2025 01:33 PM

M&A
 
Standby for M&A as this is the alignment bid for TA1.5 and the major announcement coming FY26. Can’t wait to retire as a junior 747 FO. Sad choices we make in this career.

-Bubs

KC10 FATboy 02-23-2025 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 3886218)
Standby for M&A as this is the alignment bid for TA1.5 and the major announcement coming FY26. Can’t wait to retire as a junior 747 FO. Sad choices we make in this career.

-Bubs

747s? M&A?

Jamo 02-23-2025 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 3886245)
747s? M&A?

Mergers and Acquisitions. Maybe atlas?

globalflair 02-23-2025 07:18 PM

Atlas? Nah! Kalitta is a better fit.

5 777's

23 747

frozenboxhauler 02-24-2025 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by globalflair (Post 3886289)
Atlas? Nah! Kalitta is a better fit.

5 777's

23 747

Maybe they'll buy FedEx??


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