Correction: a lot of dudes can’t handle being in the right seat with a CA that has never been furloughed from this company, and possibly never in their career, telling them they they need to accept industry worst pay and killing off retirement prospects for anyone not retiring in the next to 5-10 years to save the company and make the upcoming retirees whole because they voted yes on every contract they’ve seen this century (no backbone) and its not the company’s responsibility to do that, its the junior pilot’s responsibility to do that just like it has been for the last quarter century.

Maybe it wouldn’t have been a jug of shame if they had a backbone and told their CAs to wrap their own water bottles.

Get off the JF crack pipe.

Just so you know, the jug of shame (as it was jokingly referred too) was the green thermos that was carried out of flight ops to the airplane by the FE. We had a few F/18 types in 2002-ish that felt it was beneath them as aviators to carry the thermos to the plane. Jack Lewis (chief pilot at the time) reminded them it was just part of the traditional responsibilties of an FE and if they had a problem with it that maybe they should go elsewhere. I never considered that handing up a napkin wrapped water after the walkaround would show that you lacked a bacbone. Pretty sad if you are that worried about your image and status.

wow thanks I had no idea 🙄🙄

Glad to help...and thanks for the water. :)

Taking care of your fellow pilots is something you don't want to do? Lots of great guys at FX, you don't seem like one of them.

In the eyes of some, I’m definitely not. I vote no, I PDO bump twice a year for guys on sick leave, and i call out jack-wagons like you and max on your bull.

Funny thing about the "jug of shame" There were plenty of us, early middle aged, at the regional level who would have given anything to work here. At that point in my career I would have carried the coffee jug and the CA's flight kit if it would have meant being here 15 years earlier. To me, *****ing about being a Flight Engineer on the 727 just shows how disconnected they are from the realities of the career in the early 2000's through the lost decade.

Lots of guys paid their dues at every airline. I knew a guy who had 5 uniforms, Eastern, Pam Am, TWA, but some guys here have no idea of unity, ie: flying extra during negotiations and then complaining here because of that action. We could of had a contract 3 years ago but the leverage we had was givein up by many. Lots of guys bragging about 400 credit hr months and then thanking their buds by buying gyoza in Osaka, Instructors selling back vacation and working extra. Some, not many, line guys did the right thing and didn't work any extra days but too many pilots sold their soul for the extra dollar and her you are, F'd with displacements and possible fourlough coming.

We agree on this for sure. I'm a pre covid hire and even during covid I didn't work extra. Flew my line and went home. I've never answered a draft call so it's not a work action for me. I'd just rather be home than at work.