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11-05-2025 | 09:53 AM
  #141  
Quote: What have we agreed to that is less than what we had?
Fedex pilots had furlough protection via reduced BLG, and now per that agreement, those pilots no longer have that, nor is it being pursued in any TA.
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11-05-2025 | 12:04 PM
  #142  
Industry standard has been the cry! Now you don’t want it?
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11-05-2025 | 12:32 PM
  #143  
Quote: Fedex pilots had furlough protection via reduced BLG, and now per that agreement, those pilots no longer have that, nor is it being pursued in any TA.
I think you are overestimating the power of 4a2c. It was simply a step that the company had to follow before they could furlough. If the company had wanted to, they could have sent out furlough notices as soon as they published the system bid. The true protection lies in the cost to the company if they furlough. If you think that 4a2c kept Fedex from furloughing, then you must believe their overmanned stories as well.

4a2c protected you from furlough the same as disruption pay, extra duty period pay, FAR extension pay, and overage protect you from the company revising your pairing to fit their needs.
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11-05-2025 | 12:53 PM
  #144  
Quote: Fedex pilots had furlough protection via reduced BLG, and now per that agreement, those pilots no longer have that, nor is it being pursued in any TA.
I took a $70k pay cut this year in 4.A.2.c to keep the very guys/gals on property that demanded that we remove 4.A.2.c.

The MEC & NC got 4.A.2. removed from the contract as was demanded by the pilot group at large.

I don't think that it was the brightest move, but that's what my peers demanded.
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11-05-2025 | 01:18 PM
  #145  
Quote: I took a $70k pay cut this year in 4.A.2.c to keep the very guys/gals on property that demanded that we remove 4.A.2.c.

The MEC & NC got 4.A.2. removed from the contract as was demanded by the pilot group at large.

I don't think that it was the brightest move, but that's what my peers demanded.
And then those same people that demanded it to be removed are ****ed off now that it's removed because THEIR guy wasn't the one to remove it.
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11-05-2025 | 02:51 PM
  #146  
Quote: I took a $70k pay cut this year in 4.A.2.c to keep the very guys/gals on property that demanded that we remove 4.A.2.c.

The MEC & NC got 4.A.2. removed from the contract as was demanded by the pilot group at large.

I don't think that it was the brightest move, but that's what my peers demanded.
no one was getting furloughed this year with or without 4a2c.
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11-05-2025 | 03:35 PM
  #147  
Quote: I took a $70k pay cut this year in 4.A.2.c to keep the very guys/gals on property that demanded that we remove 4.A.2.c. because management was happy to manipulate the SAM and line their pockets with our money to fatigue the pilot group into accepting an industry trailing contract.
Fixed it for you.
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11-06-2025 | 05:11 AM
  #148  
Quote: And then those same people that demanded it to be removed are ****ed off now that it's removed because THEIR guy wasn't the one to remove it.
There was considerably more nuance to why “they” were upset with how it was removed, but go ahead and enjoy your simple minded tribalism.

Quote: The MEC & NC got 4.A.2. removed from the contract as was demanded by the pilot group at large.

I don't think that it was the brightest move, but that's what my peers demanded.
They wanted it removed as it had become obvious that the company was using it to cut costs when it was marginally overstaffed. It wouldn’t have been financially smart for them to furlough for a year while staffing corrected via attrition. Instead they cut everyone’s pay, and kept everyone current and ready to go for less than it would have cost in regular BLG.

I have no doubt you know this, but for the sake of this conversation it needs to be repeated that 4.A.2 didn’t protect us from furlough, it was simply a step they had to do prior to furlough.


Quote: I took a $70k pay cut this year in 4.A.2.c
Well now you won’t next time.
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11-06-2025 | 05:21 AM
  #149  
Quote: Industry standard has been the cry! Now you don’t want it?
I mean, I guess if you and Pat DiMento both believe that PSA is the reasonable career goal of Fedex pilots, your argument would have merit. Lets just try to make this best regional we can, according to your logic.

Instead, even the notice is less than I believe the similar clauses at the Legacy3.

I can post a million examples of better work rules, starting with SUB at the other legacy airlines. Sure, the A plan, noted, but also 121 versus 117 alone is a mammoth productivity win for the company.
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11-06-2025 | 05:23 AM
  #150  
Quote: I think you are overestimating the power of 4a2c. It was simply a step that the company had to follow before they could furlough. If the company had wanted to, they could have sent out furlough notices as soon as they published the system bid. The true protection lies in the cost to the company if they furlough. If you think that 4a2c kept Fedex from furloughing, then you must believe their overmanned stories as well.

4a2c protected you from furlough the same as disruption pay, extra duty period pay, FAR extension pay, and overage protect you from the company revising your pairing to fit their needs.
You make a valid point, but I do contend the concept had considerable merit, even if the metrics to establish SAM, for example, were flawed. Now, it seems we've abandoned the concept of meaningful job protections and this is before we have sat down with management on 1.
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