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easyflyer 08-03-2025 07:13 AM

Old guys get a clue
 
I get such a kick out of the 60+ crowd saying "it's been two years and no progress". Want to know why there's no "progress"? Because you folks think that somehow, some way the junior guys are eventually going to cave in to a concessionary contract with below industry pay and back pay and scope concessions. It's not going to happen. Watching the NC do GOD'S WORK while you people sit there and complain about them got old months ago. Now we just sit back and watch you retire one by one on contract 2015. But you got a pound of flesh on a What's App texting group!

Here's another one. We are 700 pilots lighter on the seniority list, but the contract continues to be valued the same as 2023 by the company and NMB. Gee wiz, that's unusual.

You old guys that got the pension increase dangled in front of you have a choice. Get behind what's happening so everyone can be taken care of, or you will continue to drop like flies on the 2015 contract. It's very straight forward. As the lovely people on the SM text group say "it's just business", right? Well, there's your "business decision". Leave on 2015, or get with the program. Because you aren't a majority. Ok, bye.

max8222 08-03-2025 07:52 AM

Nice post glad to see you are all in for yourself. You’re so clueless that the company is kicking your ass. The MEC is doing the company’s work for them. Didn’t know the NC is like the Blues Brothers.

easyflyer 08-03-2025 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3934773)
Nice post glad to see you are all in for yourself. You’re so clueless that the company is kicking your ass. The MEC is doing the company’s work for them. Didn’t know the NC is like the Blues Brothers.

Actually quite to the contrary. 90% of the pilot group was asleep while PM and his boys tried to rob the bank. Crazy they would even put something like TA 1.0 in front of us quite honestly. But here's the difference between you and me - I am happy you might get a pension bump and happy to vote to keep that increase from TA 1.0. But that increase isn't coming on the backs of our work rules, pay, and scope. You may want to think about who you're calling "one way" my man.

jackryan 08-03-2025 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by easyflyer (Post 3934766)
I get such a kick out of the 60+ crowd saying "it's been two years and no progress". Want to know why there's no "progress"? Because you folks think that somehow, some way the junior guys are eventually going to cave in to a concessionary contract with below industry pay and back pay and scope concessions. It's not going to happen. Watching the NC do GOD'S WORK while you people sit there and complain about them got old months ago. Now we just sit back and watch you retire one by one on contract 2015. But you got a pound of flesh on a What's App texting group!

Here's another one. We are 700 pilots lighter on the seniority list, but the contract continues to be valued the same as 2023 by the company and NMB. Gee wiz, that's unusual.

You old guys that got the pension increase dangled in front of you have a choice. Get behind what's happening so everyone can be taken care of, or you will continue to drop like flies on the 2015 contract. It's very straight forward. As the lovely people on the SM text group say "it's just business", right? Well, there's your "business decision". Leave on 2015, or get with the program. Because you aren't a majority. Ok, bye.

Bravo. LOUDER for the SM in the back.

They've so successfully annoyed a large part of the pilot group over the years with their pithy little comments and their “all for me, none for you” approach to TA .9, a lot of us would vote no again just out of spite.

130k club, anyone?

easyflyer 08-03-2025 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by TsimShaTsui (Post 3934366)
I would ask you and everyone to stop arguing and row in the same direction, and try to have some semblance of unity, but that will never happen. The truth is, Tuck, that you and a good minority of the crew force will gladly vote yes on anything put before you so long as it has a pension bump and maybe a small pay raise. They could shut this place down and furlough everyone in exchange for $30K a year extra and you would vote yes. That’s the fundamental issue and that’s why we will
never be fully unified at this airline. Go ahead and recall the MEC and delay a new retirement another few years.

This is so true. A recall will cost us another 6-9 months best case. These monkeys submit for a recall with no real plan to win over the majority of the crew force. They forget that changing the MEC again will not lead to a ratifiable TA in the unlikely event that another SM piece of garbage makes it that far. These people are truly the Senile Minority.

Pilotguy21 08-03-2025 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 3934779)
Bravo. LOUDER for the SM in the back.

They've so successfully annoyed a large part of the pilot group over the years with their pithy little comments and their “all for me, none for you” approach to TA .9, a lot of us would vote no again just out of spite.

130k club, anyone?

I’ll tell you one thing. The dudes who have been here 8 years or less are pretty unified

max8222 08-03-2025 10:55 AM

Maybe they should use their unified selves against the company and not against fellow pilots. Pretty much sounds like they are not all in except for themselves.

EMBFlyer 08-03-2025 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3934850)
Maybe they should use their unified selves against the company and not against fellow pilots. Pretty much sounds like they are not all in except for themselves.

Personal attacks and intimidation are way more fun.

jackryan 08-03-2025 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3934850)
Maybe they should use their unified selves against the company and not against fellow pilots. Pretty much sounds like they are not all in except for themselves.

You selfish SM yes voters are the company. You’re just hiding behind a dingy yellow pilot shirt and epaulettes.

company… SM… same thing.

max8222 08-03-2025 11:25 AM

Jerk Ryan, You tough guys are getting played by the company and don’t even know it.


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