Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4006728)

Where? (filler)

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4007498)

(bump) Seriously, where is it posted?

Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 4007535)

There is no list, just max talking trash as usual. At least from an official FDX ALPA source that was disseminated to the pilots. There was a fast read sent on 2/18 that said the FACT team is comprised of people from various committees and there is, and has always been, a FACT team “distribution list” that only the MEC has access to. So there is kind of a list, you just can’t have it. Quite a confidence builder.

Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 4007738)

Yeah the Union put out some real trash about how the FACT team are just losers who are there to fool you. You know they "really know" but won't tell us the truth.

Everyone knows. And people are saying. That the MEC are all going to get management jobs as soon as the TA passes. Its true. People say it. Not me. Everybody knows.

Its just better this way so the REAL FACTS (Earth 2) are hidden away from the pilots til its too late.

Back to your rabbit holes and reptilian moon colonies.

-Bubs

PS- Tin Foil hats are now available in the uniform store

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4007791)

I just wanna know who’s doing the fact checking.

Happy to listen to unbiased SME‘s.

Not so happy to listen to the bigger @ssh@ts on SM, or the tinfoil hat guys on JF.

The names matter.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Seems like pot stirring and caring more about the messenger than the message.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

He says anonymously.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

There are other committees and teams that do not have a list of people published.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Who was on the negotiating support team? What about SPSC, they have a budget of over $1.1 million. I can't find the list of P2P pilots anywhere.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Seems like pot stirring and caring more about the messenger than the message.

Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 4008169)

Sounded more like someone who wants to trust the process, but is having a hard time doing it to me. There are plenty of messengers I don’t trust to deliver the message unbiased. It’s a valid concern, and the more people keep saying don’t worry about who they are, you don’t need to know, the more people are going to think they really need to know. Maybe someday we’ll will all trust the union again, but there’s definitely some work that needs to be done before that happens.

Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 4008169)

Sounded more like someone who wants to trust the process, but is having a hard time doing it to me. There are plenty of messengers I don’t trust to deliver the message unbiased. It’s a valid concern, and the more people keep saying don’t worry about who they are, you don’t need to know, the more people are going to think they really need to know. Maybe someday we’ll will all trust the union again, but there’s definitely some work that needs to be done before that happens.

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4008271)

Trolling, or just really that dense?



So? How many of them appear to be hell bent on a 50%+1 contract?



No idea, and if it concerned me I'd ask. It doesn't. Having people tell me what's good and bad in a TA does. And if those FACTs come from the more prolific SM yes-men or JF 'pot-stirrers', I want to know and apply the appropriate amount of credibility to it.



Good reference to the strange paragraph that really tanked the current NC credibility for me. I want the current MEC and NC to succeed. And I want to trust them and the process. Moronic missives against pilots debating the pros and cons of TA'd sections don't help. Labeling people pot-stirrers doesn't either....but it does expose the yes-to-anything crowd.

Frankly this whole anonymous FACT team push and defense is bizarre. "Nothing to see here, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Seriously, has there been any bad information sent out? Have you tried to get a meeting with one of the team members?

Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 4005058)

You also gave up a metamorphic ton of seniority elsewhere