KnightFlyer

Not much help from my calls to CRP so far, but does scheduled block time within 30 days factor in for a conflict in the monthly bid?

Scenario: You have a Nov Intl c/o trip (all legs have RFO) with 52 hrs scheduled block starting on 3 Dec until 13 Dec. For Dec bid you get another Intl trip starting 17 Dec (you want to protect c/o and keep both trips) with 49 hours scheduled block (some legs w RFO). All trips are within 30 days. Will it drop out as CIC due to more than 100 hrs scheduled within 30?

If so would a Dec trip of 46 hours block be ok and not be a CIC?

Do legs w RFO factor into the equation for scheduled block?

Anyone run into this situation? Thanks.

Adlerdriver

Never. I think most of us avoid working overtime at straight pay. Especially during peak.......... .

sorry - I couldn't resist.

Can't help w/ the real question either.

KnightFlyer

I'd be disappointed if the peanut gallery didn't chime in! Vacation involved in the scenario.

CIC happens first, then vacation ...

Dakota

That's a little unfair, don't you think? There was no mention of vacation in your opening post. Plus, I agree, working overtime at straight pay is a bad idea.

Brad4est

Quick answer is no, it won't usually (initially) drop out. But ... you will probably get called mid-trip and sent home early for potentially going over hours limit. I used to bid trips like that all the time, for just that reason. First class deadhead home early is never a bad thing.

BTW, for all those saying that flying overtime at straight time is a bad thing. I tend to agree in principle, but since the contract allows you to bid carryover and it allows you to protect min days off or not at your choice, are you implying that anyone who chooses to NOT protect min time off for whatever reason is somehow wrong? Pretty arrogant, IMHO. Get over yourself.

FDXLAG

Since the thread is going to drift anyways. The union didnt even think Carry Over was extra flying in their survey. If you do perhaps you should use the survey to tell them it is. My opinion, somebody is going to fly it, might as well be me.

Adlerdriver

I’ll apologize in advance for the rant but this “the contract allows” BS really touches a nerve with me. You probably should have stopped at “I tend to agree in principle”.

The contract also "allows" crew scheduling to wait an unspecified number of hours before processing a trip trade....... it "allowed" me to leave $2500 of bank money on the table last month and still owe $200 for my airline ticket this month and it "allowed" the company the option to reach into most of our wallets a couple of years ago and grab cumulative millions to supposedly avoid a furlough. The contract also allows our pilots to fly disputed pairings or better said; it doesn’t prohibit them from flying DPs.
So, this stuff is all good because the contract “allows” it, right?

So, if I don’t agree with anyone exercising an option “allowed” in our contract or maybe I express an opinion that might indicate I think it could use improvement then I'm arrogant? Interesting theory.

Please don't try to present our contract as if Moses just came down off the mountain with it still smoking. The contract is a two way street. Some parts of it benefit us and others the company. What it is not is an excuse to avoid responsibility for our own choices.

Just because something is in the contract doesn't mean it's the right thing to do at all times.
DPs are a no-brainer (at least to me) but if I use your logic, maybe not. After all, it’s allowed in the contract. Declining draft trips and protecting min days off can tend to push things like contract negotiations along quite nicely. Yet some of our brother and sister pilots choose selfishly for short term gain, hurting themselves and everyone else in the end. They hide behind the almighty contract as if it absolves them from any responsibility for their short sighted actions. In that case, I would say without a doubt that they are wrong.

Since we’re not in negotiations, I really don’t care if someone wants to work overtime at straight pay or not. Are they wrong? I guess not, but I can still think they’re foolish. There’s AVA available in more than half our seats. If these carryover junkies and open time hawks had even a small measure of self-control, they could clean up in spades. But… they don’t and the company laughs all the way to the bank because………. It’s allowed in the contract.

Rant over.

KnightFlyer

Thanks Brad.

Sheesh I didn't want to start a c/o brou-ha-ha. I just wanted to know, if bidding a line that puts you over 100 in 30 days due to c/o you already have, knocks out a trip as CIC. CRP didn't know the answer via several calls.

I don't like c/o lines generally and have had them maybe 4 times in nearly 20 years. I have a lot of vac hrs left and want to use all of it. If the trip in the new month gets CIC'd I can't use all of the vac hrs I want to use. AVA and DRF are great when it works to your advantage, but I plan on enjoying my vacation.

I don't care what anyone else does or bids as long as they pay, vote, and do a good job.

HDawg

I Give You These 15 - OY!...TEN...TEN COMMANDMENTS

FoxHunter

§ 121.481 Flight time limitations: One or two pilot crews.

(a) A certificate holder conducting flag operations may schedule a pilot to fly in an airplane that has a crew of one or two pilots for eight hours or less during any 24 consecutive hours without a rest period during these eight hours.

(b) If a certificate holder conducting flag operations schedules a pilot to fly more than eight hours during any 24 consecutive hours, it shall give him an intervening rest period, at or before the end of eight scheduled hours of flight duty. This rest period must be at least twice the number of hours flown since the preceding rest period, but not less than eight hours. The certificate holder shall relieve that pilot of all duty with it during that rest period.

(c) Each pilot who has flown more than eight hours during 24 consecutive hours must be given at least 18 hours of rest before being assigned to any duty with the certificate holder.

(d) No pilot may fly more than 32 hours during any seven consecutive days, and each pilot must be relieved from all duty for at least 24 consecutive hours at least once during any seven consecutive days.

(e) No pilot may fly as a member of a crew more than 100 hours during any one calendar month.

(f) No pilot may fly as a member of a crew more than 1,000 hours during any 12-calendar-month period.