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Old 11-18-2011 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Popeye
If CRS makes the change to your calendar before they process your vacation, what happens after they process your vacation? Do you get the dropped trip put back in your line or do you have to join a feeding frenzy during the view add window to rebuild your schedule?
If it's CIC then it's view/add. CIC happens first, then vacation is processed. You'll get paid any leftover vacation hrs (w/in the buyback limit) 31 Dec.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JC Dude
I have a carryover into Dec. with a mix of RFO and F/O pairings for November. I was removed from a trip in December due to exceeding 100 in 30 days. Talked to futures and he confirmed, so it is total block. Doesn't make a difference whether F/O or RFO.
Resurrecting an old thread for a question or two.

In 121.481(e) the limit of 100 hours is per calendar month (which could be 31, 30, 29, or 28 days), so the "100/30" term is misleading(?) To me, "100/30" implies consecutive days as in "30 hours per 7 consecutive days." What is our CRP actually using? Referencing the above example, I kinda remember December having 31 days.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 05:32 PM
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reference the FOM Appendix B3 for our Flight time limits.
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Old 08-16-2015 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by renman95

To me, "100/30" implies consecutive days as in "30 hours per 7 consecutive days." What is our CRP actually using?
The way I read the FARs neither you or CRS get a vote in the matter!

14 CFR 121.471 - Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—

(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;

(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;

(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;

(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.


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Old 08-16-2015 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark


The way I read the FARs neither you or CRS get a vote in the matter!

14 CFR 121.471 - Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

§ 121.471 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed—

(1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;

(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;

(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;

(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.


Yes, for Domestic. Flag has a similar but more detailed breakdown for 2, 3, and 4 pilot operations. Reference FOM Appendix B, hat tip to max. For example: 3 pilots or 2 pilots + 1 FE, 120 hrs in any consecutive 30 days. 2 pilot crews, 100 hrs in a calendar month remains.

I need an app for this.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by renman95
Flag has a similar but more detailed breakdown for 2, 3, and 4 pilot operations. Reference FOM Appendix B, hat tip to max. For example: 3 pilots or 2 pilots + 1 FE, 120 hrs in any consecutive 30 days. 2 pilot crews, 100 hrs in a calendar month remains.

I need an app for this.
One very important point for the -11 and 777 dudes: In order to be governed by the 3/4 pilot rules, you must ONLY operate on an augmented crew for the month in question. Regardless of the 3 or 4 pilot rules, once you fly as part of a two-pilot crew during any given calendar month, you are now subjected to the 100 hour limit in 121.481.

Usually not a factor for most lines but with all the revisions it might get to be depending on the situation. Also, the folks not protecting min days with carryover or helping out skeds with some extra flying might find themselves in a bind if they're not careful. That'd be a shame.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 07:32 PM
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New to view/add.

My awarded trip was knocked out in cic..have 70 hrs to makeup, so 76 hours max available.

Put in view/add window for a 80hr carryover trip, half of it in April and half in may.

DISALLOWED for exceeding 76 hours. I thought it would allow because only 40 hours are in April, and I would have 36 hours remaining in April for another trip. Where are the rules for bidding view/add spelled out? Does this sound right?
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Old 03-20-2017 | 03:14 AM
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Disallowed is correct, max makeup is 76 total (conflict plus 6).
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