Substitution and Trip Revisions
08-07-2015 | 07:58 AM
#11
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Crewmember
I hope you have called the union and fully explained this tactic to them.
I hope the union has a smart lawyer that will actually be able to stop this.
If we don't have a smart lawyer that can stop this, than contract language needs to be introduced into the negotiations to stop this or no deal.
I hope the union has a smart lawyer that will actually be able to stop this.
If we don't have a smart lawyer that can stop this, than contract language needs to be introduced into the negotiations to stop this or no deal.
08-07-2015 | 09:04 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2006
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Yup, I can attest that this tactic is being used by CRS because I write this warning from my unscheduled layover hotel in a revised city.
I had a back end DH scheduled for my hometown this morning. At show time my trip was revised (same flight number) to land at a different city and theoretically DH home from there. Called CRS to inquire about it being Base Substitution and they just patched me directly to DO, he said it was legal and new trip was not an open time trip so no base sub and trip could not be refused. I fly it.
When we got off the plane the ramper told us to call CRS, you guessed it, no DH but a nice extension to fly the plane back to MEM tonight!
Hey, that sandwich does taste like $h!t.
In hindsight, I find it alarmingly suspicious that at the time I was forced to step to the jet in MEM, CRS had not changed my pairing to reflect the revised city back end travel plans.....so top line had MEM-revised city and return leg still had original city DH -MEM.
Was CRS too busy to update the pairing or had they already decided it didn't matter because we were never getting a DH from the revised city because they already had plans to extend us? I'll bet my kids college funds CRS had planned to extend us entire time but waited until we landed to spring it on us to keep it " legal".
The question is, how do you prove intent?
I had a back end DH scheduled for my hometown this morning. At show time my trip was revised (same flight number) to land at a different city and theoretically DH home from there. Called CRS to inquire about it being Base Substitution and they just patched me directly to DO, he said it was legal and new trip was not an open time trip so no base sub and trip could not be refused. I fly it.
When we got off the plane the ramper told us to call CRS, you guessed it, no DH but a nice extension to fly the plane back to MEM tonight!
Hey, that sandwich does taste like $h!t.
In hindsight, I find it alarmingly suspicious that at the time I was forced to step to the jet in MEM, CRS had not changed my pairing to reflect the revised city back end travel plans.....so top line had MEM-revised city and return leg still had original city DH -MEM.
Was CRS too busy to update the pairing or had they already decided it didn't matter because we were never getting a DH from the revised city because they already had plans to extend us? I'll bet my kids college funds CRS had planned to extend us entire time but waited until we landed to spring it on us to keep it " legal".
The question is, how do you prove intent?
Call contract enforcement and grieve it. They know about it, but until someone grieves it, nothing will be done. It may not be the easiest path, but if we want to protect our contract, we have to attempt to hold the company accountable for liberal reinterpretations.
08-09-2015 | 07:09 PM
#15
Avoiding Memphis
Joined: Apr 2005
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From: Intl Feeder Jet
Just flew with a guy who is buddies with a Duty Officer.
Obviously this info is golden!
Anyway, apart from Airbus DOs being asked if they can fly MD trips (it has happened)...
We had an ANC MD guy finish IOE, and skeds gave him a trip a few days after, violating the contract of 10 days of free time.
He called skeds, they said "too bad". He called the DO, who said "too bad". He eventually called our new Fleet Captain who seems to have some gumption and is a pilot-type guy. The Fleet Captain called the equivalent of GOC and said "Read the contract" and the guy got his days off.
BTW, on this last thunderstorm fiasco they had our Fleet Captain and Chief of Training flying the right seat to make sure trips were covered.
Obviously this info is golden!
Anyway, apart from Airbus DOs being asked if they can fly MD trips (it has happened)...
We had an ANC MD guy finish IOE, and skeds gave him a trip a few days after, violating the contract of 10 days of free time.
He called skeds, they said "too bad". He called the DO, who said "too bad". He eventually called our new Fleet Captain who seems to have some gumption and is a pilot-type guy. The Fleet Captain called the equivalent of GOC and said "Read the contract" and the guy got his days off.
BTW, on this last thunderstorm fiasco they had our Fleet Captain and Chief of Training flying the right seat to make sure trips were covered.
08-10-2015 | 04:22 AM
#16
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Joined: May 2006
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From: Excessed WB Capt.
We had an ANC MD guy finish IOE, and skeds gave him a trip a few days after, violating the contract of 10 days of free time.
He called skeds, they said "too bad". He called the DO, who said "too bad". He eventually called our new Fleet Captain who seems to have some gumption and is a pilot-type guy. The Fleet Captain called the equivalent of GOC and said "Read the contract" and the guy got his days off.
08-10-2015 | 10:53 PM
#20
New Hire
Joined: Apr 2007
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Yup, I can attest that this tactic is being used by CRS because I write this warning from my unscheduled layover hotel in a revised city.
I had a back end DH scheduled for my hometown this morning. At show time my trip was revised (same flight number) to land at a different city and theoretically DH home from there. Called CRS to inquire about it being Base Substitution and they just patched me directly to DO, he said it was legal and new trip was not an open time trip so no base sub and trip could not be refused. I fly it.
When we got off the plane the ramper told us to call CRS, you guessed it, no DH but a nice extension to fly the plane back to MEM tonight!
Hey, that sandwich does taste like $h!t.
In hindsight, I find it alarmingly suspicious that at the time I was forced to step to the jet in MEM, CRS had not changed my pairing to reflect the revised city back end travel plans.....so top line had MEM-revised city and return leg still had original city DH -MEM.
Was CRS too busy to update the pairing or had they already decided it didn't matter because we were never getting a DH from the revised city because they already had plans to extend us? I'll bet my kids college funds CRS had planned to extend us entire time but waited until we landed to spring it on us to keep it " legal".
The question is, how do you prove intent?
I had a back end DH scheduled for my hometown this morning. At show time my trip was revised (same flight number) to land at a different city and theoretically DH home from there. Called CRS to inquire about it being Base Substitution and they just patched me directly to DO, he said it was legal and new trip was not an open time trip so no base sub and trip could not be refused. I fly it.
When we got off the plane the ramper told us to call CRS, you guessed it, no DH but a nice extension to fly the plane back to MEM tonight!
Hey, that sandwich does taste like $h!t.
In hindsight, I find it alarmingly suspicious that at the time I was forced to step to the jet in MEM, CRS had not changed my pairing to reflect the revised city back end travel plans.....so top line had MEM-revised city and return leg still had original city DH -MEM.
Was CRS too busy to update the pairing or had they already decided it didn't matter because we were never getting a DH from the revised city because they already had plans to extend us? I'll bet my kids college funds CRS had planned to extend us entire time but waited until we landed to spring it on us to keep it " legal".
The question is, how do you prove intent?
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