Substitution and Trip Revisions
08-09-2015, 07:09 PM
#13
Avoiding Memphis
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: Intl Feeder Jet
Posts: 504
Just flew with a guy who is buddies with a Duty Officer.
Obviously this info is golden!
Anyway, apart from Airbus DOs being asked if they can fly MD trips (it has happened)...
We had an ANC MD guy finish IOE, and skeds gave him a trip a few days after, violating the contract of 10 days of free time.
He called skeds, they said "too bad". He called the DO, who said "too bad". He eventually called our new Fleet Captain who seems to have some gumption and is a pilot-type guy. The Fleet Captain called the equivalent of GOC and said "Read the contract" and the guy got his days off.
BTW, on this last thunderstorm fiasco they had our Fleet Captain and Chief of Training flying the right seat to make sure trips were covered.
Obviously this info is golden!
Anyway, apart from Airbus DOs being asked if they can fly MD trips (it has happened)...
We had an ANC MD guy finish IOE, and skeds gave him a trip a few days after, violating the contract of 10 days of free time.
He called skeds, they said "too bad". He called the DO, who said "too bad". He eventually called our new Fleet Captain who seems to have some gumption and is a pilot-type guy. The Fleet Captain called the equivalent of GOC and said "Read the contract" and the guy got his days off.
BTW, on this last thunderstorm fiasco they had our Fleet Captain and Chief of Training flying the right seat to make sure trips were covered.
08-10-2015, 04:22 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Excessed WB Capt.
Posts: 1,061
Originally Posted by pilot141
We had an ANC MD guy finish IOE, and skeds gave him a trip a few days after, violating the contract of 10 days of free time.
He called skeds, they said "too bad". He called the DO, who said "too bad". He eventually called our new Fleet Captain who seems to have some gumption and is a pilot-type guy. The Fleet Captain called the equivalent of GOC and said "Read the contract" and the guy got his days off.
08-10-2015, 10:53 PM
#18
New Hire
Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by IrishSkies
Yup, I can attest that this tactic is being used by CRS because I write this warning from my unscheduled layover hotel in a revised city.
I had a back end DH scheduled for my hometown this morning. At show time my trip was revised (same flight number) to land at a different city and theoretically DH home from there. Called CRS to inquire about it being Base Substitution and they just patched me directly to DO, he said it was legal and new trip was not an open time trip so no base sub and trip could not be refused. I fly it.
When we got off the plane the ramper told us to call CRS, you guessed it, no DH but a nice extension to fly the plane back to MEM tonight!
Hey, that sandwich does taste like $h!t.
In hindsight, I find it alarmingly suspicious that at the time I was forced to step to the jet in MEM, CRS had not changed my pairing to reflect the revised city back end travel plans.....so top line had MEM-revised city and return leg still had original city DH -MEM.
Was CRS too busy to update the pairing or had they already decided it didn't matter because we were never getting a DH from the revised city because they already had plans to extend us? I'll bet my kids college funds CRS had planned to extend us entire time but waited until we landed to spring it on us to keep it " legal".
The question is, how do you prove intent?
I had a back end DH scheduled for my hometown this morning. At show time my trip was revised (same flight number) to land at a different city and theoretically DH home from there. Called CRS to inquire about it being Base Substitution and they just patched me directly to DO, he said it was legal and new trip was not an open time trip so no base sub and trip could not be refused. I fly it.
When we got off the plane the ramper told us to call CRS, you guessed it, no DH but a nice extension to fly the plane back to MEM tonight!
Hey, that sandwich does taste like $h!t.
In hindsight, I find it alarmingly suspicious that at the time I was forced to step to the jet in MEM, CRS had not changed my pairing to reflect the revised city back end travel plans.....so top line had MEM-revised city and return leg still had original city DH -MEM.
Was CRS too busy to update the pairing or had they already decided it didn't matter because we were never getting a DH from the revised city because they already had plans to extend us? I'll bet my kids college funds CRS had planned to extend us entire time but waited until we landed to spring it on us to keep it " legal".
The question is, how do you prove intent?
08-10-2015, 11:10 PM
#19
Avoiding Memphis
Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: Intl Feeder Jet
Posts: 504
Anyone that flies international has had this happen recently..
Nice trip, with a long layover in STN. First leg is MEM-IND, layover then IND-STN.
We get to the hotel in IND and the Captain asks me why I am not with him for the rest of the pairing. ***? As soon as we blocked out of MEM they revised my pairing. Like, on the minute. Almost like it was already planned, and all they needed was for me to block out. Hmmm.
Ended up being gone two days longer than the trip I bid, but at least I knew that after the first day. Most guys are not that lucky.
I have had several guys tell me (and I agree) that the trip revision/extension provisions should cost the company MUCH more money than it does now.
Nice trip, with a long layover in STN. First leg is MEM-IND, layover then IND-STN.
We get to the hotel in IND and the Captain asks me why I am not with him for the rest of the pairing. ***? As soon as we blocked out of MEM they revised my pairing. Like, on the minute. Almost like it was already planned, and all they needed was for me to block out. Hmmm.
Ended up being gone two days longer than the trip I bid, but at least I knew that after the first day. Most guys are not that lucky.
I have had several guys tell me (and I agree) that the trip revision/extension provisions should cost the company MUCH more money than it does now.
08-11-2015, 03:19 AM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: Bent Over
Posts: 531
The contract says a trip can be revised at any time. There is no definition of revision and no restriction. So a trip can be revised before it begins, they just have been waiting until you've already checked in to change it obviously to keep guys from avoiding it in other ways.
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