Read between the lines....
09-02-2015, 08:10 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by kronan
I think he's playing it straight.
Also think he's a 1 term chairman, I was somewhat surprised when he mentioned his age\career at the last meeting. Everything he said then, is consistent with what he just emailed now.
One of the comments our Senior Attorney made was how amused he was to read the comments about getting professional negotiators vice pilots at the table. Because it's not just the pilots sitting there, but some of the same people who worked with UALs MEC and DALs MEC when they signed their industry leading contracts circa 2002
Also think he's a 1 term chairman, I was somewhat surprised when he mentioned his age\career at the last meeting. Everything he said then, is consistent with what he just emailed now.
One of the comments our Senior Attorney made was how amused he was to read the comments about getting professional negotiators vice pilots at the table. Because it's not just the pilots sitting there, but some of the same people who worked with UALs MEC and DALs MEC when they signed their industry leading contracts circa 2002
09-02-2015, 09:28 AM
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As I understand it,
Negotiating lawyers aren't the daily grievance lawyers.
one of the things pointed out is that contract language improves every iteration through bargaining...and in the big airline scheme of things, we're the new kids on the block contract wise
Negotiating lawyers aren't the daily grievance lawyers.
one of the things pointed out is that contract language improves every iteration through bargaining...and in the big airline scheme of things, we're the new kids on the block contract wise
09-02-2015, 06:41 PM
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Let's finally use the spine God gave us and stand up for ourselves and demand what we have earned. I have talked to a lot of junior guys who got hired into a widebody right seat and already have their "bonus" money spent. All they are looking at is the "bonus" money (really back pay we are owed) and the new pay rates. I have also talked to a lot of other guys who are afraid to vote no because they feel like anything is better than nothing and they have no faith in the union leadership our their fellow crewmembers.
Please help these crewmembers to consider the entire picture before they vote yes to a 10 year deal which I think significantly undervalues our contribution and has far too many concessions. We can and will get a better deal. Just like with Iran no deal is better than a bad deal. Just like Iran you can't trust what FedEx management promises the only thing that matters is what we get in writing.
Come on we all know we are working harder, more legs, shorter layovers, unreasonable deadheads, no weekend layovers, more garbage trips and no city purity, plus management has gotten much more adversarial with us. The company is making record profits and management is getting theirs and I don't blame them, I just want mine too. I don't want to hurt FedEx I just want the pay raise, not just cost of living raise I have earned, I want some work rule improvements not concessions, and I want to protect the value of my benefits and my retirement. I don't think that is unreasonable. We are in an environment that I am not willing to give up anything for free. I'm definitely voting no and it is clear that FedEx does not value or respect us. They think we are ignorant, afraid and easily bullied. I think they have sorely misjudged us and I hope some of the managers who have brought us this leadership through fear, intimidation and ridicule find something or somewhere else to hang their hat. I hope everyone finds the courage to do what you know is inherently right and Vote "NO" and demand the contract we have earned.
Please help these crewmembers to consider the entire picture before they vote yes to a 10 year deal which I think significantly undervalues our contribution and has far too many concessions. We can and will get a better deal. Just like with Iran no deal is better than a bad deal. Just like Iran you can't trust what FedEx management promises the only thing that matters is what we get in writing.
Come on we all know we are working harder, more legs, shorter layovers, unreasonable deadheads, no weekend layovers, more garbage trips and no city purity, plus management has gotten much more adversarial with us. The company is making record profits and management is getting theirs and I don't blame them, I just want mine too. I don't want to hurt FedEx I just want the pay raise, not just cost of living raise I have earned, I want some work rule improvements not concessions, and I want to protect the value of my benefits and my retirement. I don't think that is unreasonable. We are in an environment that I am not willing to give up anything for free. I'm definitely voting no and it is clear that FedEx does not value or respect us. They think we are ignorant, afraid and easily bullied. I think they have sorely misjudged us and I hope some of the managers who have brought us this leadership through fear, intimidation and ridicule find something or somewhere else to hang their hat. I hope everyone finds the courage to do what you know is inherently right and Vote "NO" and demand the contract we have earned.
09-02-2015, 07:33 PM
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Deja vu?
FDXAV8R,
Cut and paste is a great invention, but I gotta finally yell "uncle".
I've seen some version of that post in three different threads now. We get it. Message received.
Of all the possible venues to repeat your anti-TA message, I'm thinking this might the one place that needs it the least. I ain't seeing much TA love here preacher... We be the choir.
Cut and paste is a great invention, but I gotta finally yell "uncle".
I've seen some version of that post in three different threads now. We get it. Message received.
Of all the possible venues to repeat your anti-TA message, I'm thinking this might the one place that needs it the least. I ain't seeing much TA love here preacher... We be the choir.
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