Viper446

Ease up. I wouldn't go bashing the MEC or the NC. I think many of them have worked very hard on this contract. Do you know all these guys personally? You aren't going to convince anyone how to vote no on this if you can't leave the emotion out. State your reasons and let people make their choices. Some guys have said they will vote yes and have posted some very valid points as to why they would vote yes. I respect them and anyone one here who can explain their position one way or the other without dumping on people. This contract means different things to different people and they will vote accordingly. If a guy is about to retire in 2 years and there is a lot in this contract for him to vote yes, good for him. I have things I don't like about the TA but I'm willing to listen to both sides before I make my choice.

PicklePausePull

How can you deduce that the NC and MEC have worked hard on this contract? This TA suggests quite the opposite. In fact, this TA is so bad, I would go one step further and call for throwing ALPA off the property, and the election of an in-house union. 2% of our pay and 98 hours a month to present us with this sub-standard TA after four years of negotiations. Pathetic!

J586

Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

I'd rather stick with what we have and fight then to vote yes on this. Dignity needs to count for something.

FamilyATM

I think we have already been down that road back in 1996. Good bye ALPA1 hello FPA. Three more years go by until FPA falls on its Fato and we get the parking lot deal.

Yes, those were the good old days. It took years to get ALPA here but the "NO Guys" (non-Union) wouldn't join. So we went into contract talks divided and weak. Didn't work out so well. Voted down that TA and some of the NO group started the FPA and pushed ALPA off the property. Well, the ALPA guys didn't want to join that FPA thing and we repeat the same thing all over. Fire the FPA NC Chairman, get a new NC Chairman, membership improves and progress starts to be made. We have a strike vote! Things are looking good and then the parking lot deal. Rinse and repeat and now we are with ALPA2, I don't want to see an FPA2.

No thanks. If this goes down we will need unity and focus more than ever. People will need to put the vote and hard feelings behind them and rally around the new MEC and NC. That is why name calling is not such a good way to get your points across. Your vote is yours and mine is mine, cast yours as you see fit. But when it's over, put your emotions behind and rally around each other and the union. But then I've been told I am "FYIGM" guy.

The Walrus

With the post you made to are a FYIGM guy. You are only looking at your own situation and not at the pilot group as a whole. So live with it ATM.

pinseeker

How dare the MEC allow this letter to be published, let alone be placed on the website. The are suppose to be selling us this TA and squashing all dissenters.

FDX28

Then the MEC needs to have the "NO" voters have a time during the roadshow to explain why they voted no. If you talk to either Block 6 or Block 11 Rep, there are many more reasons than they listed in their emails. Where is their video on the MEC website? Hearing ALPA say "the company would never do XYZ" is absolute BS!.

They would "never" unjustly stay in 4.A.2.b
They would "never" push the optimizer
They would "never" require sick notes except for dates listed in the contract.
They would "never" abuse trip revisions

And with the TA
They would "never" screw us on the cost of healthcare.
They would "never" go to less than 12 bid periods.
They would "never" use the 6 week bid periods to allow more wet-lease.
They would "never" put Professional Instructors teaching CQ events
They would "never" use the additional secondary lines as PIBS
They would "never" flush guys out of HKG so they could furlough
They would "never" abuse the Slot Denial Payment



Give the crew force the pluses and minuses of the TA. Not just the pluses that union thinks are "big gains"...

PeterGriffin

To be honest, I think I might actually entertain a YES vote, if, I could hear from the NO voters on the MEC...give them time to speak, so we don't feel like we're being sold on this deal. I would really like to hear their comments and what were their realistic expectations? When you silence people, that speaks volumes...

busdriver12

I just read a second email from Council 26, the block eleven rep, on why he voted no. I found his argument far more persuasive, as it was less emotional, and very professional. That approach is much more effective, as far as getting me to decide how to vote.

pinseeker

Second Block six rep??? He voted no??? Glad to see you're staying well informed