Originally Posted by whalesurfer
(Post 1975581)
In section 26 (General) one of the changes in your TA is;
- Ability to bump offline jumpseaters up to 1 hour prior to showtime (PBB) What does PBB stand for? We (ups) have absolute awful jumpseating rules, keep getting bumped left and right and we always appreciate riding on your flights. Purple is famous for the "guaranteed" jumpseat rule (within 24 hours, with some caveats of course). The TA change would make your rules more like ours and I was wondering what precipitated the change? Is it your company pushing for this or your line pilots not being able to get to work? Either one would be understandable and it's your business of course. From an offline pilot's perspective it'd be a negative change but again, you guys are always great to us and we appreciate the ride each time we fly on purple! |
Originally Posted by StarClipper
(Post 1975846)
Did anybody think that over? So if I'm list for a two leg commute through MEM, my first leg is 2.5hrs long, I can be mid flight and get bumped and be stuck in MEM at 2am. Now that's go to start a JS war.
If we get bumped off the JS, can we use our deviation bank to pay for a hotel room? This is one more benefit that isn't quite as good as it used to be ... but it saves the Company money by allowing them to put DH pilots on the jumpseat. Heck, why not put ALL DHing pilots on the JS (especially the ones in front of the lav. Camel ... Nose ... :confused: |
Originally Posted by appDude
(Post 1975774)
The guaranteed offline 24 hours needs to stay. No non emergency bumping. Period.
We use way more QUANTITY of offline seats than they use on us. The only way for us to reciprocate with a little balance is with QUALITY. |
Originally Posted by appDude
(Post 1975774)
The guaranteed offline 24 hours needs to stay. No non emergency bumping. Period. We use way more QUANTITY of offline seats than they use on us. The only way for us to reciprocate with a little balance is with QUALITY. That bears repeating. The guaranteed offline 24 hours needs to stay. No non emergency bumping. Period. . |
Originally Posted by StarClipper
(Post 1975846)
Did anybody think that over? So if I'm list for a two leg commute through MEM, my first leg is 2.5hrs long, I can be mid flight and get bumped and be stuck in MEM at 2am. Now that's go to start a JS war. See above post. . |
Originally Posted by kronan
(Post 1975804)
Can't seem to find the language in Section 26,
Think someone might be stirring the pot I'm not trying to do that at all. KnightFlyer has the same document I do. It's called "Section by Section Highlights as of August 17, 2015" "Section 26 General • Raised annual uniform allowance to $200 (26.B.) • “No harm” jumpseats expanded to all bases (26.J.) • New expired Visa/passport notifications and validations similar to medical certificates (26.M.) • Company manuals provided in electronic format only (26.Q.) • Ability to bump offline jumpseaters up to 1 hour prior to showtime (PBB) • New boarding priority system (PBB) • Modified jumpseat suspension language (PBB) • Removed seat blocking of jumpseats for deadheading crewmembers from bidpacks (PBB) • Improved new aircraft acquisition language (26.K.) • Known Crewmember (KCM) contractually required (26.AA.) |
Originally Posted by kronan
(Post 1975804)
Can't seem to find the language in Section 26,
Think someone might be stirring the pot |
The company needs to be able to bump guys from offline so they can put us on the jumpseat in lieu of our deadheads. Unless you are a complete idiot you know FedEx will expand on the jumpseat in lieu of deadhead concession and for those that say this is from a previous arbitration, the language in the TA is much too broad. What happened to clarity and getting the language right?
I can see trip revisions and extensions causing a deadhead to interfere with your next trip. Viola--just put you on the company jumpseat instead. We will soon be like UPS. Before you know it--scheduled company jumpseats will be the norm and scheduled deadheads a distant memory and first class deadheads will soon be an urban legend among new hires. |
Originally Posted by FDXAV8R
(Post 1975971)
The company needs to be able to bump guys from offline so they can put us on the jumpseat in lieu of our deadheads. Unless you are a complete idiot you know FedEx will expand on the jumpseat in lieu of deadhead concession and for those that say this is from a previous arbitration, the language in the TA is much too broad. What happened to clarity and getting the language right?
I can see trip revisions and extensions causing a deadhead to interfere with your next trip. Viola--just put you on the company jumpseat instead. We will soon be like UPS. Before you know it--scheduled company jumpseats will be the norm and scheduled deadheads a distant memory and first class deadheads will soon be an urban legend among new hires. Realize the other airlines don't even guarantee their own guys. At the last minute a senior guy can come up and bump a junior guy going to work. I am not trying to be harsh, just realistic. This is not starting a war or done out of spite. This is the norm for all other companies. So let me say it again, It needs to change. Pakage |
Originally Posted by whalesurfer
(Post 1975778)
You're absolutely right and yes, it just doesn't sound right when one of your own can't make it home because an offline pilot is listed already.. It was great while it lasted.. Many thanks!
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