FDX1

Tony was not argumentative in his last point. He wasn't arguing for the sake of argument.
He made consummate sense, deliberating on a real issue. He always does.

Though I occasionally disagree with him, is not because he's argumentative. Less disagreement now than when I first met him.

Your writing style is remarkably similar to Rock and a few others. I won't point out the similarities. Now that is argumentative, although it has a basis in many facts.

 

Catch me in a situation where I can buy you a cold beverage and I'll explain it all.


I didn't call it a guarantee, but I wouldn't consider it arbitrary or meaningless, either. As I said above, it's a pattern we've seen for many years, and at least 2 CBAs. I'd like to say it dates back to our first CBA, but I don't want to rely solely on my memory, and I don't have ready access to "The Agreement" of 1998. As a pattern of past rate increases, it represents a reasonable yardstick by which to compare future pay rate increases. This TA, while described by some as Industry Leading, fails to achieve even that meager metric.


And I also have friends who believe pilots are overpaid. I suppose it deserves a little more context, doesn't it?


VERY, very much overdue. I put this issue near the top of my list when we were developing openers years ago, and I'm thrilled to see it's addressed. Now if we can bring up the other benefits (housing, per diem, etc.) up to the same level as some regionals ... [Insert Smile substitute here, 3 image limit exceeded] [Insert grumpy frown here]


New Hire FDA comittment = 3 years? NOPE.


Much different. The initial bump does nothing to address money we've lost in direct and indirect income (hourly rates, retirement contributions) due to annual 3% pattern raises we've missed. That bumps us up towards the 3% pattern raises, but doesn't quite get there. The "Signing Bonus" is the salve that's supposed to fill the gap, but the first installment after taxes won't buy a manager's car, and the next installment 7 months later is even smaller.



And I might be out of synch with which is last, the asterisked bullet, or the comment after. The last bullet articulated a goal to include pay rate increases that would be triggered automatically on the amendable date and subsequent anniversaries thereof. By building them in, we would hope to motivate The Company to negotiate in good faith and not drag things out like they're so apt to do. We obviously did not achieve that.

As for establishing pay rates to measure the TA ... in order to determine whether goals were met, we have to know what those goals were. In many cases, it's not wise to be specific about those goals, because the other party to the negotiation can turn those goals into weaknesses. I think we played into our opponents hand by giving so much attention to PBS to the point where many now consider it a victory that we don't see PBS in this CBA (outside of Secondary lines, that is). Similarly, if we specify a dollar amount for a pay rate goal, you can rest assured The Company would make us pay dearly for that last nickel. Still, I think the precedent of 3% per year is a reasonable line to draw. We can then discuss how far above the line we can get to judge our success. Sadly, we find ourselves talking about pay rates that don't even get up to that line, so here we are talking about whether they're meaningful in the context of our own careers. I don't compare W-2s with my neighbors, but I have more than a passing interest in the compensation of fellow professional pilots.



Ditto.






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Well, you got me on the LEC 11 thing. He's the LEC 26 Chairman. That changes everything....

But what does this quote from his letter mean to you...
"To vote “No” is to say you are willing to do whatever it takes including, if it comes to it and after the end of the RLA process, standing alongside your fellow union members in a picket line without a paycheck to achieve our goals."
Are you going to argue he is not refering to a strike?

 

Deterrence is based on having the might to win and the will to use it. The best deterrence is demonstrated when not a single sword must be lifted to fight.

When I served in the military, I was willing to die in the defense of my country. But I didn't die. Does that mean I failed in my service?

Mike says we need to have the will to do whatever it takes. You latched on to picket line and missed his point entirely.






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I "latched on" to the entire quote I gave you. So I'll repeat my question to you. Is he, or is he not refering to a strike?
Your military analogy is completely bogus. When I asked my guys to put their life on the line, I meant it. And I led them into the mouth of the cat and because they were **** hot aviators, they came home alive. But it wasn't silly talk. It was real.
If you are implying that our LEC 26 chairman is a man of big words he has no intent of following through on, perhaps I understand why you admire him. All talk...no action. "Be ready to strike boys...but we know it will never come to that. wink wink nudge nudge". If that is what he's doing, and you actually admire it...I'm even less impressed.

 

Suckup.....


You have accused Rock and me of being the same posters, now FDX1 too? Well thank you, they are intelligent and reasonable people. I feel honored that you think we're the same person.

And FDX1, I'll be happy to tell you how to do the multi-quote thing. You don't even have to buy me a beer.

 

Hey, I did NOT pay for that plug, and I have NOTHING to DO with the thread he may be starting about our loss of International Alert Calls in Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, etc., and the questions about ALPA National cost models predicting how much money The Company will save by not having to make those phone calls. That was totally him, not me.




Hey, wait, I didn't say he'd have to buy me one. I was offering to buy! (I had to go back and check to make sure I'd said that right. Whew!)







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Oh. Policywonk is back.
Enough said.

 

True.

Which identify do you use when you do a Minnesota Multi Phasic Personality Inventory Test?

Can you maintain it for the duration of the test?

 

Huh? Didn't have to take that one to get hired by FedEx.
Thank God. Who knows if anyone here might have passed. We have more than our share of nuts.